The Action Thinker

[MichelleSheng]

The Action Thinker -- Doberman


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[Elaine]

Michelle, please tell us more about this guy, his breeding and if, he has litters on the ground, info on the bloodlines he's been crossed to and what the results were.

[MichelleSheng]

Michelle, please tell us more about this guy, his breeding and if, he has litters on the ground, info on the bloodlines he's been crossed to and what the results were.

Certainly,Elaine~~ I would love to...

Here is Hero's pedigree...

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Hero is a Chinese locally bred dog. When he reached six months old, he was sent to Three Shadow Kennel(our co-owner ship kennel ) to be trained. Hero began his brilliant track career in 2006. From 2007 to 2009, Hero and Ms. Linda Guo, his trainer and handler, participated in all major domestic competitions. Through their hard work and efforts, he won 12 BIS in 2009, Hero was awarded the first place in China's annual Doberman ranking in 2009. Hero’s skills have also been recognized by domestic and foreign peers and referees.

Welcome to click the link with some of competition pictures of Hero in 2009.

http://bbs.dobeschina.com/showthread.asp?threadid=1092

http://bbs.dobeschina.com/showthread.asp?threadid=991

Hero also became a father last year, His two girls Dido and Donna also took 7 PBis and 2 PBis each of them in last year.

The following link is competition pictures of Dido and Donna:

http://bbs.dobeschina.com/showthread.asp?threadid=1001

http://bbs.dobeschina.com/showthread.asp?threadid=1054

You can guess who is the red woman?? Yes, she is our famous golden handler -- Linda Guo.:D:D:D

[Minka]

That's a Chinease dog with a very American pedigree he's basically Foxfire/Cambria

[Elaine]

Interesting pedigree. Basically all Kafka, top and bottom, i.e., Ch. Cambria's Cavalleria is a Kafka son, Ch. Cambria's Rock Solid is doubled up on Kafka… http://www.dobequest.org/profile.php?DOGID=1354 and Eddie is a Kafka grand son. :)

Overall I think the influence of Cavalleria - through his progeny like our Elizabeth and his son Ch. Cambria’s Highly Regarded (a.k.a. Rayden) - is very interesting.

Sometimes it takes years and years for breeders to recognize the value of the contributions of certain dogs.

We love what Michelle Santana has produced mixing Rayden and Inaqui. This drop-dead gorgeous dog Ch. Foxfire's Smoke On The Water is but one example. http://www.dobequest.org/profile.php?DOGID=40660

We love what we have produced mixing Cavalleria with Trotyl (who is an Inaqui son). i.e. Ch. Logres' Warkant http://www.dobequest.org/profile.php?DOGID=34108

We hear that there is a lovely litter out of C.J.’s sister bred via frozen semen to Rayden.

Multi BIS CH. Cambria’s Victoria Secret and our Lil Claire’s dam – Cambria’s Sebring - are both by Rayden’s full brother, the Cavalleria son Ch. Cambria’s Secret Desire (a.k.a. Cowboy). http://www.dobequest.org/profile.php?DOGID=27806

And our Warkant – Claire litter has more Cavalleria than Cavalleria. :D:cool: http://www.dobequest.org/profile.php?DOGID=42797

There were many great Kafka sons and grand sons, CH. Cambria's Cactus Cash (Eddie) comes immediately to mind, but I think the influence of Cavalleria will also prove to be tremendous.

Michelle, I absolutely love Dido... am still downloading the other girl. Dido is exactly the phenotype that wins in our rings... she reminds me a bit of what Phil loves. Btw, who does your ear crops?

[MichelleSheng]

Elaine, It's glad to see you like the little amazing gril - DIDO.Their ears were croped by Mr,Zhang Yi(Who is the breeder of Dido and Donna). It's a bit short and straight, the technology also need to improve.:cool:

In China,The G.O.V does not encourage people to keep dogs, or even a lot of restrictions Act, The Doberman introduced to China a decade there was only a short time, the overall environment is not very friendly and mature,that is the reason to make Doberman Website.We would love to provide a platform for our lovely and crazy Doberman fans which can really help them to study,sharing,or communication...

Also, we still have a lots of study and research to do ....something like being actively introduce a good pedigree or individual.Hope to get your help, and look forward can hava a substantive engagement.:D:D:D

[Elaine]

I was speaking with one of the breeders on this forum about selling dogs to great breeders over seas... and they mentioned a concern about how government policies might negatively impact dog ownership in foreign countries (a concern similar to what you describe above). We, here in the USA, face legislative challenges to our “right” to own and breed dogs… and there is mounting opposition to cropping… so, to one degree or another, we are all in the same situation globally, though in the USA we have a tradition of supporting personal freedoms that gives us a confidence that we will always have the right to own and breed dogs. Not sure how accurate that perception is anymore. If we do not defend our rights, we can indeed loose them. :cool:

[MichelleSheng]

You are right, Elaine. In this way we both have a lots of diffculty and challenge, And I think they will always exist, the most important is how should us face them, We need to have confidence and strong mind. :D:D:D

[Elaine]

... … coupled with awareness and a commitment to act intelligently.

[MichelleSheng]

Agree,Cheer~~:D:D:D

[doberdogsfd]

Michelle.....Is the person cropping these puppies' ears a veterinarian?

Cheryl

[doberdogsfd]

Forgive me Michelle. But I might have missed your response to my question regarding if the person actually cropping puppies for breeders in China is a Doctor of Veterinary Medicine or something else.

I think for those of us breedieng dogs here and being solicitated by other countries to sell them puppies, it is a legitimate question and concern.


Cheryl

[MichelleSheng]

Forgive me Michelle. But I might have missed your response to my question regarding if the person actually cropping puppies for breeders in China is a Doctor of Veterinary Medicine or something else.

I think for those of us breedieng dogs here and being solicitated by other countries to sell them puppies, it is a legitimate question and concern.


Cheryl


Well, Cheryl.Thank you for your tough question, It should frank and honest since I came here and wanted to introduce you about us.

Following behalf of my personal understanding.
In China, most of the puppies have their ears cropped by the breeder. We do have Veterinary but it need to have a lots of experience for ear crop. Only a few people can do well, and they are all breeders, They also have a simple medical supplies and equipment but nobody has a Veterinary lisence.

You may think this is unbelievable,but it is ture.This is just the current situation, We have a long way to go,I believe it is the process of maturing.

[doberdogsfd]

Michelle,

Thank you for your honesty. In America we do have many qualified Vets who can crop. Unfortunately we also have what we call kitchen croppers who are not licensed Vets but still do cropping. The practice of cropping without a Vet license in this country is illegal and shamefully still goes on. For many of us the concern in using these kitchen croppers is that they do not have the proper sedatives or equipment to handle cropping properly. Many of the puppies suffer because of this.

Cropping an ear is difficult and requires much skill. Done properly the puppies do not suffer, done without the correct anesthesia the puppies are in terrible pain. Many vets avoid learning to crop in part because of the extreme pressure placed on them by the breeder. If the crop is not perfect the breeder complains etc. Many of the Vets who do crop are unprofessional. Some are said to care more about the breeding and who owns the puppies than they do the crop. Some talk about the puppies and spread gossip. Some think they are gods and all should bow before them. Then on the other hand you have Vets like Merry Fitzgerald and Joel Fisher who do not care about any of that and do a great job. They do their best for every client. I am sure there are others who are as professional as Merry and Joel but I do not have first hand experience with them.

Hopefully the process in China will be taken over by Vets very soon. Hopefully in America we will be rid of the kitchen croppers soon as well.

Again thanks for your honesty in answering a very tough question.

Cheryl and Bob