Mr. Andrew Hilt - victim of Cyberdobes /McNealy BS

[Elaine]

> Subject: FW: [Cyberdobes] WARNING to Breeders
> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:05:13 -0400
>
> > --- In Cyberdobes@yahoogroups.com, Cheri McNealy <ccandid@...> wrote:
>
>
> This is a warning - take it or leave it. Don't send me any threat
> emails because it won't matter and I might just share them with the
> list.
>
> ANDREW HILT - andyhilt27@...
>
> This is the man who originally purchased Joe Wackerly's "Lexie".
> She did not have a good life with him as can be documented by the
> veterinarians and the rescue who had her for months and subsequently
> placed her in a loving forever home.
>
> Apparently, she wasn't wanted any more after the wife became
> pregnant and I presume the wife has finally delivered.
>
> Now he's on the hunt for another dog - calling and emailing
> breeders as far away as California. He's in Greenfield, Indiana.
>
> I would say - if he contacts you for a puppy or a young adult, you
> need to know he has a history here and it's not one most of us would
> consider favorable.
>
> Let the SELLER beware.
>
> Cheri

Here is another CD post
In Cyberdobes@yahoogroups.com, Cheri McNealy <ccandid@...> wrote: Please everyone - remember Lexie's story - and share what I've told you here with everyone.There IS documentation from two (I think) veterinarians about Lexie's condition and it was attributed to neglect and "abuse".The wife got pregnant and they needed to dump her fast...and they did. Michigan Doberman Rescue had her spayed, got her coat in condition, taught her some manners and how to behave as a family member - something she hadn't had with his first owner. Now they're looking for a new puppy....calling and emailing everywhere and I'm sure they've learned the lingo and the right "buzz" words...which means if we aren't diligent, some other Doberman will suffer a similar fate. Cheri

Cathy Kendrick <cameedobermans@...> wrote From: Cheri McNealy ANDREW HILT - andyhilt27@...This is the man who originally purchased Joe Wackerly's "Lexie". She did not have a good life with him as can be documented by the veterinarians and the rescue who had her for months and subsequently placed her in a loving forever home....He's in Greenfield, Indiana. Good timing Cheri. I came home to a message from an Erin Hilt looking for a puppy. I did a reverse look-up of the phone number and it belongs to Andrew Hilt of Greenfield, Indiana.Cathy Cathy KendrickCameedobermans@... __________________________________________________ ____________________________________________Cyberd obes mailing listhttp://mailman.listserve.com/listmanager/listinfo/cyberdobesVisit us on the web at http://www.cyberdobes.com --- End forwarded message ---


I just heard from Mr Hilt... apparently he had no idea what was being said about him on CyberDobes. Personally, I hope Mr. Hilt sues McNealy into the Stone Age.

[andyhilt27]

I never tried to decieve anyone. This is almost enough to give up my love for dobermans. Almost, but not enough. I am not a doberman breeder. I had part in one breeding of an AKC Ch. toy fox terrier. I am not listed as the breeder on that litter of two. I made absolutely no money from that breeding. I am still in the hole a lot just from showing her. Nevermind the vet bills. I am a dog owner/admirer. With this whole Lexi deal, the breed is better off. Lexi was never bred. A lot of other so called Doberman lovers probably would have bred her despite health problems. I learned a lot from Lexi. The best pedigree doesn't mean very much. I no longer recognize blues as dobermans. If the breeding will produce a dilute it won't happen. Not with my dogs! I believe that Lexi was an affected as her breeder didn't put much stock in testing for vwd. So I am now cautious of even "reputable" breeders. I also learned that the world of show dogs can be very political. I just want healthy, smart dogs. Conformation is secondary. Thank you Elaine for bringing this injustice to my attention. I will post pics of my other abused and neglected dogs on here soon. If anyone is in Indiana lets get together for our dogs to play together. Andrew Hilt

[andyhilt27]

"He's in Greenfield, Indiana. Good timing Cheri. I came home to a message from an Erin Hilt looking for a puppy. I did a reverse look-up of the phone number and it belongs to Andrew Hilt of Greenfield, Indiana.Cathy Cathy KendrickCameedobermans@... "__________________________________________________

I have never heard of Cameedobermans!!!! I just went to their site and definitely would have not contacted them do to them having previously owning a Hoytt dog. That dude makes me cringe. My wife did not make any calls as she was sure as hell not found of getting a new puppy with a new baby! I had to sell her on that one.:D And for the longest time the number was only listed in her name! I call major BS on Cathy. Maybe she is in bed with Lexi's breeder. YES I SPELLED IT LEXI!!!! GET THE SPELLING RIGHT IN YOUR GOSSIP MCNEALY AND FRIENDS.:mad::mad::mad::mad: LEXI

[Arthur]

In many ways I am appalled that Mr. Hilt has to publicly defend himself from the defamatory comments of Ms McNealy. It is very clear that many CyberDobes readers believe what McNealy writes. They buy her BS hook-line-and-sinker. McNealy should be ashamed of herself and the damage she does to innocent victims.

We do not know Mr. Hilt well, but he contacted us a while back. Our impression was favorable. I believe he was originally simply introducing himself, and inquiring about Titan or Tungsten for a FUTURE breeding. He was not asking about breeding a specific bitch, but rather, just a general “Hello, I am a Doberman enthusiast, what do you require” type of inquiry. As I recall, we said pretty much what we always say, “We do not breed any of our males unless we like the breeding so much that we would be willing to keep second pick from the litter... so, in general, we simply do not do outside breedings at all.”

There were a few exchanges back anad forth. Our impression is that Mr. Hilt was exactly what our breed needs as we go forward into the future. He has a passion for the breed and he wants to learn. We Doberman breeders should be embracing him, not defaming him with CyberDobes / McNealy inspired ignorant BS.

Btw, here is what Mr. Hilt mentioned about Lexi, from back in early October of ’07: I am tired of many of the lines here in the u.s. and many breeders not being concerned with dogs being carriers of vwd and producing color dillutes. I recently owned a blue female who was from some impressive pedigree however.... [omitted] I was co-owner of this bitch and decided to give her back to the other owner and breeder of her. [omitted] she is being fostered. I could have found a better home for her and would have not let her go if I had known all of this. I guess my point is that I am very much dedicated to improving the breed here in the u.s. I refuse to breed any sire and dam that could potentially produce a color dillute. I refuse to breed any vwd carrier. I refuse to rip anyone off in selling a puppy.

Andrew Hilt

[Arthur]

Here are some photos the Mr Hilt sent us of Lexi (and one of their Toy Fox Terrier. Keep in mind, Mr. Hilt took these photos over time... they reflect his love and care for Lexi. The photos were not staged, nor were they taken after-the-fact or in response to the garbage McNealy wrote about Mr. Hilt and “Lexie.” These photos and Mr. Hilt's comments above expose Cheri McNealy and CyberDobes for being utterly malicious defamatory garbage.

[Arthur]

Here are a few more.


Based on what we've read on Cyberdobes over the years I think CD should come with the following:
WARNING: Believing any of the garbage McNealy writes on CyberDobes could be hazardous to innocent third parties... and antithetical to developing an informed mind.

[andyhilt27]

"I refuse to breed any vwd carrier. I refuse to rip anyone off in selling a puppy. "


I have to retract that statement. I was wrong in saying that. In a perfect dobe world I would agree. I will indeed strive to reach truth in that statement though. I still refuse to rip anyone off in selling a puppy a though, that is very much true. I will not breed carriers to affecteds! To paraphrase an Abe Lincoln quote, I don't much care for a man that is not more knowledgeable than the day before.

[Arthur]

"I refuse to breed any vwd carrier. I refuse to rip anyone off in selling a puppy. "


I have to retract that statement. I was wrong in saying that. In a perfect dobe world I would agree. I will indeed strive to reach truth in that statement though. I still refuse to rip anyone off in selling a puppy a though, that is very much true. I will not breed carriers to affecteds! To paraphrase an Abe Lincoln quote, I don't much care for a man that is not more knowledgeable than the day before.

Great quote!

About Lexi, I suspect that she was not a good fit with you from the beginning. It looks like you tried. You did the best you could and you were constantly frustrated because what you were doing wasn’t working. No one wants the ownership of a dog to end badly. You had good intentions, sadly it did not work out. Possibly Mr. Wackerly was not closely involved with you and the problems you were having, or possibly he didn’t know how to solve them. I know that maintaining the coat on a Blue or fawn can be a challenge. I think there was help out there for you, you just didn't connect to it in time for it to be of any use to you. Had you contacted us, we would have recommended that you get in touch with someone who has a long history of caring for the dilute coat. Off the top of my head, I would have recommended Cathy Ceely. She posts on DSNN as Tosca. She is at a show this weekend. I am attaching a photo of her beautiful fawn bitch Emma (Multi AOM BISS CH Royalwood's Color Me Blonde). Here is a link to Emma's webpage. http://www.emeralddobe.com/emma.html You will notice that Emma's coat is lovely. Cathy feeds an all natural diet. Either Cathy or Mike and Renee Holth (Royalwood) would have been a good reference for you.

[andyhilt27]

Information that I have discovered after the fact leads me to think an all natural diet is the way to go with the dilutes or any dog for that matter. The resources at the time were not there for me. And in my opinion, not good enough today in regards to the care of dilutes. The first question the vets asked was what is she being fed. They seemed to think this was a good food in which she was recieving. There were many therories: Fungus, Autoimmune, Hormones, etc. I tested her thyroid right off the bat. In hindsight the food may have been the root of her skin problems. My fault. No argument there. Her skin problems were only a small percentage of the equation though. There were many deciding factors that led to her return to the breeder. In hindsight, I would have spayed her and found a very good home myself without his involvement regardless of a lawsuit(he was still co owner). I wouldn't wish this deal on anyone. Arthur and Elaine thank you very much for your support! I have learned a tremendous amount from this ordeal and it appears Lexi now resides in a good home with her skin in good condition. That is all that matters now. I do miss her very much.:(

[Kalecho]

Mr Hilt, I have a question on the Lexi situation. Am I correct in assuming that you returned Lexi to Joe Wackerly and from there she ended up in rescue? That's the impression I'm getting from what you said in your posts. I was curious to know how Lexi ended up in rescue. Thanks in advance for your reply.

[andyhilt27]

I will not mention names. I returned LEXI to her breeder. From there she went to a woman claiming to have experience with dobermans and has a 25 or 30 acre horse farm and then to the the rescue. She stated she could not handle her. This is where I became very very very upset as I did not want Lexi to be bounced around. I did not dump her off anywhere and thought Lexi's breeder had done his research on her new home.

[Kalecho]

I will not mention names. I returned LEXI to her breeder. From there she went to a woman claiming to have experience with dobermans and has a 25 or 30 acre horse farm and then to the the rescue. She stated she could not handle her. This is where I became very very very upset as I did not want Lexi to be bounced around. I did not dump her off anywhere and thought Lexi's breeder had done his research on her new home.

I would like to thank you for clarifying things. I too am a victim of Cheri McNealy's story telling slandering ways, and I sympathise with your situation.
From what I'm hearing the fault that Lexi ended up in rescue is not yours nor her breeder's. You did the right thing by returning Lexi when you had problems with her, no one should fault you for doing the right thing. The breeder thought that he placed her in a good home, no matter how much research you do on a placement it can end up going sour, I know that first hand. As I see this, where the fault lies is with the breeder when he found out that Lexi was in rescue he did not take her in, and proceeded to show his bitch that he had bought. He was spending money on his newly acquired bitch but not taking a bitch that he bred out of rescue and that is wrong. I'm only going by what I'm told and if this is accurate then the breeder was in the wrong. Thanks, Mr Hilt for the response.

[Elaine]

Hey Kalecho,

Welcome to DSNN. I think that Mr. Hilt has said that Lexi had coat problems which he could not solve and that she was not structurally what he was looking for (what she had been presented as). We all know that sometimes even the most promising puppy does not live up to expectations. Since most people are not set up to keep an unlimited number of dogs, often in such a situation the dog goes back to the breeder. In this instance, Mr. Hilt co-owned Lexi and was required to return her to her breeder. Since her breeder is not here to explain his side of this... we think it's a good idea not defame him. You seem to agree and we appreciate your point of view. When we don't have all the facts, it is just too easy to cast blame where it may not belong. Don't you agree:)
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[andyhilt27]

I agree. Although my dealings with Lexi's breeder left a lot to be desired, I also had my fault and make no secret about it. This was a perfect storm for disaster! I learned a lot from all of this! I can only hope that her breeder learned from his role in this matter! Lexi is in a good home it appears and not being bred! I am sure her new owners are getting a lot of enjoyment from her and certainly hope her manners have improved. I wanted to keep her inspite of her crazy ways but the safety and health of my child was paramount. I miss you a lot Lexi!

[Kalecho]

Hey Kalecho,

Welcome to DSNN. I think that Mr. Hilt has said that Lexi had coat problems which he could not solve and that she was not structurally what he was looking for (what she had been presented as). We all know that sometimes even the most promising puppy does not live up to expectations. Since most people are not set up to keep an unlimited number of dogs, often in such a situation the dog goes back to the breeder. In this instance, Mr. Hilt co-owned Lexi and was required to return her to her breeder. Since her breeder is not here to explain his side of this... we think it's a good idea not defame him. You seem to agree and we appreciate your point of view. When we don't have all the facts, it is just too easy to cast blame where it may not belong. Don't you agree:)
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Thanks for the welcome, yes I do agree. I'm happy for Lexi that this whole story had a good ending and that she's in her loving forever home.