No cussing… even when you're f_ _kin pissed as hell.

[Elaine]

Show of hands, how many of you, over the age of 10, have heard the word f_ck? How many of you have said the word f_ck? Do you realize you can not say that word, even once on an AKC show grounds?

I know, I know. Most of you are thinking, “Are you f_ckin kidding me? Of all the things that go on in dogs, the use of that f_ckin word is what we’re all supposed to be concerned about? Give me a frickin break."

On what f_ckin planet is that word worth even a second thought these days, given what is going on at most shows on most days? It’s a word, how about addressing all the other egregious conduct at shows?

You can be benched and fined $100 for using the word, especially if someone claims, through crocodile tears, that they’ve never heard the word before, and it crushed them.

Crushed... and adult, in 2010, crushed? Yeah right! What adult hasn’t heard and even utter the word? Give me a f_ckin break!!!

I admit it, I use the word, because it fits certain situations. It relieves the pressure, like when you realize you’ve just backed into a BMW, driven by an attorney; or driven the mower into the pond for the umpteenth time; or hit your thumb with the hammer. “Oh f-ck” fits." In fact, that one magic word saves time and energy, efficiently replacing the string of profanity that also comes to mind.

Here’s a heads up, if you have an inkling to call a Bench Show Committee because someone may have uttered the word f_ck… stay the f_ck away from me!!! I don’t want to be anywhere near you, you will never handle for me, I don’t want to be within 100 feet of you, cause I can’t afford $100 a pop for each time I say this f-ckin word.

Another thought… for those who don’t use the word, it’s getting to the point where you need a recording device simply to defend yourself these days.

[doberdogsfd]

Yep...have been aware of that rule for years

Since Bob and I both work in an environment that frowns upon the use of even the milder colorful words we all like to use on occasions, we tend to think of a dog show as just a carry over of work.

Not knowing one's audience and who is around you can lead to some folks getting offended. After 12-15 yrs of sensativity training for work...it becomes ingrained not to do it.
One's job can hang in the balance if someone decides they are offended.

Same thing with a dog show....but there it can become a series of tragedies that cause you not to be able to show your dogs.

Best practice for us is to get in the truck on the way home or to the hotel and then have at it!

Cheryl

[Elaine]

Best practice for us is to get in the truck on the way home or to the hotel and then have at it!

Cheryl

Just to be clear... the only person I can think of who drives a truck is me, :) I was not involved in this incident, wasn't even at the show, and I am arguably more familiar with AKC Rules and Regs than most anyone in dogs, being as how I am the only person ever to sit through AKC Trial Boards who was not an attorney or the plaintiff. I can keep my mouth shut ringside. I hear tell of lots of ringside conversations that, even without profanity, would be “conduct prejudicial” and I stay at least a mile away from those. Hell, Jim White approached me ringside a few years back to start up something. I told him to "run along." And Tammy can hardly keep a nasty comment to herself.

I stay well away from all of that nonsense, whether on the show grounds or else where.

This “alleged use of the word f_ck” incident did not happen ringside, it happened in a set up, there were no casual bystanders... no "oh horrors" impressionable virgin ears within 1000 feet. The whole things reeks of a disgruntled ex-handler getting a few parting licks in. To do this to someone who has been good to you for years, even loaned you the down payment on your home, is utter baloney. I think this will come back 1000% against the handler, in large part because people use that word, and more on point, because we untimely don’t like making mountains out of insignificant molehills. Owners don't want to be anywhere near handlers that cause this kind of trouble. People who can afford to hire handlers and show do it because it's relaxing and enjoyable. Most of us would run from handlers who start this kind of trouble, especially over something so frickin trivial.

I think using unlicensed ear croppers to crop your litters is Conduct Prejudicial to the sport and to our breed. That is an issue worth our time and energy; the alleged use of the word f_ck (which fyi, I don’t believe was even uttered) is not. It is trivial beyond words. An adult, in 2010, claiming that the use of the word (i.e., once, "singular") was traumatizing, is simply not credible in my opinion.

If we want to start calling Bench Show Committees on each other, I think the fun would never end. What about the people who booed when Jackson won in Springfield, MA back in July? That was clearly conduct prejudicial to the sport (much more so then the alleged single utterance of f_ck in a set up). Those people who boohed should all have been benched. But the judge, the owner and the handler let it go.

Now, had I been a “let’s call a Bench Show Committee” kind of gal... I can think of a certain prick I could have had benched at Roanoke a few years back. Can't think of anything more sleazy than what happened there; I let it slide. Even if the f_ck word was uttered (which I don't believe it was), this handler, a mature adult, should have let it slide as well.

I guess it gets down to this... I simply don't find the use of the word nearly as offensive as the rest of the conduct we tolerate around us in the dog show world all the time. If we want to "clean up the sport" let's tackle the important issues, like the person sitting next to us who routinely uses unlicensed ear croppers, rather than this frickin f-ck nonsense.

In fact, as a start, all officers of the DPCA should have to identify the licensed ear croppers they use to crop their dogs, each and every one of them, for each and every litter. That is an issue worth our time and energy.

[doberdogsfd]

No Cheryl and I both drive trucks hers being an Expedition and mine an F150. We weren't there either. The post was to point out what we do it was not intended to figure out who was there or who said it. It was really not about who drives what. That is what we do to keep our sanity over the silly things that go on and since we do not want to get benched it works for us. That is why we used "US" in the sentence.

I am not sure who knows the most about AKC rules....I know that I can say what I want in either of our trucks and no one can hear or complain. It is my private property and a safe place which is why we put that on the post.

It seems to me that there is a bit of hyper sensitivity lately on DSNN and other forums. Makes one not want to post as someone will read something that was not there and make it about themselves. I am pretty sure there are several others who drive trucks as well on here be them SUV's or Pick ups. Just a thought.

Bob

[Elaine]

Great! So now the "truck portion" of the issue is resolved... and we can discuss the topic itself. But why do I feel sort of like Bobby Kennedy in San Francisco in 1968 when he said, "It's on to Chicago and let's win there."

Who drives what aside, the larger point here has to do with hypocrisy and the enormity of wrongs that dog show people let slide, vs. the trivial crap that gets their panties in a knot.

Booing the judge IS conduct prejudicial to the sport. Even more important, using unlicensed ear croppers is conduct TOXIC to the sport, not just to our breed. Uttering the word f_ck once (even if it was said, which I doubt) is trivial beyond words.

That said, you’d be surprised who might be out to get you (the universal you, not Bob). Let’s say you’re ringside and something happens in the ring that gets your dander up… and you blow off a bit of steam. You may not use any profanity... just a bit of heat and energy. All someone has to do is allege that you used the "f" word, call a Bench Show Committee, and you can be benched. Bench Show Committees are made up of the show giving club's Show Committee and Officers, who are very likely not attorneys or people experienced with any from of the judicial process. Heck, this may be their first Bench Show Committee. The committee has wide discretion; they are not constrained by due process rights. If someone has a grudge and few buddies willing to crawl out from under a rock, you can find yourself benched, even when you didn't do what they claim you did.

Here’s a rule that people routinely ignore (all of us posting here included). Un-entered dogs are not allowed on the show grounds. How many of us bring our puppies and young dogs to a show for experience? Doing so is against the AKC Rules and Regs; you can be benched for having an un-entered dog on the grounds. In fact, the only Bench Show Committee ever called at our MCKC show had to do with un-entered dogs.. and the fellow was benched.

[doberdogsfd]

Clearly.



Cheryl and Bob

[Elaine]

As an epilog to all of this, I heard that one of our country’s most admired and accomplished judges (former all-breed handler, one of the best we've ever had, with BIS in every breed) read the riot act to the young handler who pressed for this Bench Show Committee, something to the effect, “Sweetheart, if you wish to be considered a professional, you need to act like one. That client has been very good to you guys for many many years, this is not how professional handlers treat their clients.”

I couldn’t agree more. In fact, these kinds of people actually drive serious competitors out of dogs, which is not good for breeders or for the sport.

[Minka]

All my favorite people all in one thread - I thought I'd drop by - say hello & throw my two bits into the conversation.

1. I like the way the Aussies run a dog show - competitive, relaxed , a day out for the family - you throw a steak & some sausages on the barbecue - have a few beers, watch the kids run around and enjoy the dogs. It's just a tad too serious in America.

2. At the risk of being shot, dog shows are a hobby not a sport!

3. I like the concept of self regulation -my freedom ends when it starts to encroach on anothers - Know when to draw the line.

4. The 'f'' word is part of modern vocabulary; organizations should evolve- get the AKC to get with the times

5. Tell the handler to grow the " - uck up" :P

Ok I'm done - Bob , Cheryle , E! - hello - it's been a while

[doberdogsfd]

LOL!
Hello Abe!


C + B

[Dr.ROBY.ALEX.GEORGE]

Show of hands, how many of you, over the age of 10, have heard the word f_ck? How many of you have said the word f_ck? Do you realize you can not say that word, even once on an AKC show grounds?

I know, I know. Most of you are thinking, “Are you f_ckin kidding me? Of all the things that go on in dogs, the use of that f_ckin word is what we’re all supposed to be concerned about? Give me a frickin break."

On what f_ckin planet is that word worth even a second thought these days, given what is going on at most shows on most days? It’s a word, how about addressing all the other egregious conduct at shows?

You can be benched and fined $100 for using the word, especially if someone claims, through crocodile tears, that they’ve never heard the word before, and it crushed them.

Crushed... and adult, in 2010, crushed? Yeah right! What adult hasn’t heard and even utter the word? Give me a f_ckin break!!!

I admit it, I use the word, because it fits certain situations. It relieves the pressure, like when you realize you’ve just backed into a BMW, driven by an attorney; or driven the mower into the pond for the umpteenth time; or hit your thumb with the hammer. “Oh f-ck” fits." In fact, that one magic word saves time and energy, efficiently replacing the string of profanity that also comes to mind.

Here’s a heads up, if you have an inkling to call a Bench Show Committee because someone may have uttered the word f_ck… stay the f_ck away from me!!! I don’t want to be anywhere near you, you will never handle for me, I don’t want to be within 100 feet of you, cause I can’t afford $100 a pop for each time I say this f-ckin word.

Another thought… for those who don’t use the word, it’s getting to the point where you need a recording device simply to defend yourself these days.

see here- http://www.maniacworld.com/f-81.htm