The Nigerian Banking Scam... let’s play.

[Elaine]

I am sure that many of you have heard of the Nigerian Banking Scam?

Here’s how it works: Any of you who have a website (or advertise anything at all for sale on the internet) know that you will eventually attract these sleaze balls from over seas. They operate in countries that do not recognize US banking laws. These fake “buyers” will contact you and offer to buy whatever you have for sale. They will agree to your price and terms, because whatever you are selling it actually irrelevant. They play around with you for a while (email back and forth, call a few times if you allow it), try to earn your trust... then they offer to send you a cashiers check (or money order) for over the amount of purchase. The key is that the fake check is OVER the amount of purchase. You are supposed to go to your bank, deposit the fake check, and refund them the difference between the amount of the check they sent you and your asking price for the sales item.

For example, say you have a paino for sale, asking $8,000.00. They send you a Cashiers Check for $14,000.00 (there is always some cockamamie story for why they have to send the oversized check... but they “trust” you to return their $6,000.00 (often by wire transfer). You take their Cashier’s Check to the bank, the bank thinks it’s real and deposits it. You wire the crooks the $6,000. Two weeks later your bank comes back to you saying that the Cashier’s Check is fake. By then the “buyer" is gone and so is the money you wired him. The buyer’s info eventually traces back (often through England) to Nigeria, which does not recognize American banking laws.

There are a lot of variations on this theme... but that’s the basics. I thought it would be fun to follow one of these scams here on DSNN... so I will post the next one we get... and we can all see how it goes.

[Elaine]

So, here is an email we received:

Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 16:30:11 -0700
From: [omitted]
Subject: doberman buy :]
To: arthurgreenwood@hotmail.com

Dear Logres,

My name is Kelley Pyo and I live in Fort Lee,New Jersey.I visited your website on selling your doberman and I am very interested. Most of all, I'm interested on buying Warkant. I would also like to know when he was born. I absolutely adore dobermans and I admire your breed the best. If you may, I would like to go visit you and buy Warkant. Please email me back with your address and your price at [omitted]. Thank You very much.

Sincerely,
Kelley Pyo

P.S. If this isnt possible then I would like to buy another male doberman at the age of 3-4 months. If you have any suggestions please tell me. Thank You.

[Elaine]

I responded

From: arthurgreenwood@hotmail.com
To: [omitted]
Subject: RE: doberman buy :]
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 19:58:17 -0400

Sure,

Warkant is $10,000.00 and his current litter of kittens is an extra 50 pianos. Stop over anytime, our address is 1500 Pennsylvania Avenue. Wash D.C.

Don Ald Ducheck

[Elaine]

Just got this from Kelly Pyo

Dear Don Ald Ducheck,

Thank You so much. I will go as soon as possible during this Saturday or Sunday if it's okay with you. Also, may you give me your number if possible. Please contact me back. Thank You.


Sincerely,
Kelley Pyo

[Elaine]

If I send this guy our phone number, the next step in this scam is that some sleaze will call me and agree to purchase Warkant... for $10,000 but [insert long story about why they need to send a Cashier's Check] could I just send them back the difference between his asking price and the check they are going to send me. :rolleyes:

[Elaine]

I am reluctant to give out our phone number to some sleaze... so I think I’ll take a more direct approach.

From: arthurgreenwood@hotmail.com
To:[omitted]
Subject: RE: doberman buy Piano:]
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 06:43:47 -0400

Dearest Beloved Pyo,

We are unable to meet with you at the White House this weekend, something about Mr. Bush and the Secret Service not wanting a bunch of Dobermans running around (though we hear that the US Attorney General would love to speak with you and your associates).

How about you just send the check for the Piano and we’ll wire back the overage.

Contemptuously,

Mick E. Mousse

[Absolute]

can't believe they will respond to this

[pretty dobe]

Arthur, Thanks for the laugh this morning.....I needed it.

[Elaine]

I can't believe they responded... but here it is. Not sure how I will respond next. I think it's funny that they have no problem going from Logres to Don Ald Ducheck to Mick :rolleyes:

Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 10:15:14 -0700
From: [omitted]

Subject: RE: doberman buy Piano:]
To: arthurgreenwood@hotmail.com


Dear Mick,
I do not understand what you are saying please email me back with easier words. thank you
Kelley Pyo

[andyhilt27]

I often don't actually laugh out loud when observing comedic things on the net. But in this situation I am cracking up. It is 4:35 a.m. and I just woke my daughter up! Thanks a lot Elaine aka Mick!

[Elaine]

Our friend is back

Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 18:25:26 -0700
From: [omitted]
Subject: RE: doberman buy Piano:]
To: arthurgreenwood@hotmail.com


Dear Mick,
It is hard to understand what you are trying to say. I really want the doberman but, I would like to see the doberman before buying him. Tell me a day when you are free and I will go there with the money. I specifically want Logres Farm's doberman. When you email me back please exlpain what you mean in the last email. Thank You.
Kelley Pyo
P.S.Im sorry but, if you really want to sell your doberman tell me all the information specifically.

[Elaine]

Just sent this.
For what it's worth, over the years I have seen these guys flip from negotiating to purchase a horse, then a piano, then a 1965 Dodge Dart, a parrot... all without skipping a beat because what they ultimately want is a dialogue, your expectation of a sale and then the chance to send you a check for over the amount of purchase... so that you can wire back the overage. I have pushed these guys pretty hard here.. I suspect they'll move on to someone else. One last thing, responding to these guys can be dangerous; the internet is chock full of nuts. Be careful about ever giving out personal information.

From: arthurgreenwood@hotmail.com
To: [omitted]
Subject: RE: Piano]
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 06:27:01 -0400


The piano is available for $10,000.00. I think we live around the block from you. Give me your address and we can drop it off to you.



Schams R. Us

[Elaine]

Well since the last post I have had several communications from this person. In a nutshell, they are from Korea, live with their sister’s family in NJ, have been in the USA for less than 6 months (but the sister has been here for about 15years), they work for an electronics firm. This person "was a professional breeder for German Shepeards" when they lived in Korea. They had a German Sheppard that they gave away when they moved from Korea... and they want a dog from us because we walk on water, blah, blah, blah. You breeders here know this drill... say anything to get a dog.

This was my repsonse, and I am posting it so that we on DSNN can have a dialogue about what a proper home for a dog is. Btw, this is what I wish the person who sold to Rickey Hines had said to him. Mr. Rickey is the man trying to sell his pregnant red bitch - who can "hold it for 18 hours." Mr. Rickey wants $5,000 for this poor sweet bitch. Here is the thread about Rickeyhttp://dogshownewsnetwork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=169

From: arthurgreenwood@hotmail.com
To: [omitted]
Subject: RE: Dear logresfarm's breeder
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 06:22:27 -0400


I will be blunt, in part because you have touched on an important aspect of Doberman ownership. While I applaud your enthusiasm for our wonderful breed, we can not sell you a dog at this time. You are not ready to own a dog at this point in your life. In our view a dog is a lifetime commitment, not a disposable commodity. At a minimum a dog needs an owner with a stable life, and by “stable” we mean financially stable and situated in a home that is appropriate for a large dog. For a Doberman, such a home requires property in a dog friendly area, with good fencing, access to dog parks or safe open areas for the dog to play, and owner’s free time to attend to the dog. We only sell to owners who can provide a permanent, safe, secure, loving home for the life of a dog. A dog the size of a Doberman needs room (acreage) to exercise... for both his mental and physical well being. Our dogs run and play on 22 acres, but a city lot and a park will do. Warkant - or any of our dogs - can go in the show ring tomorrow because they are fit, well-muscled, mentally and physically healthy dogs. They can go off and do what Tungsten is doing because they are happy secure dogs. They are good Dobermans first and foremost. They represent the breed well. This is a reflection of our commitment and devotion to them and their needs. You are not now able to make that kind of commitment to a dog.

Even more on point, in 2008 in the USA there are many pressures on owners of Dobermans because of breed specific legislation. We must all be responsible guardians of this breed. Doberman owners need to present the breed to the public in the most positive manner possible. That requires informed, experienced, committed Doberman owners. It is a huge disservice to this breed in general (and any dog specifically) to acquire a dog before you are properly situated to accommodate the needs of the dog.

The dog should come first; you are putting your whims before the dogs needs. Acquiring a dog before one is ready to provide for the dog is a selfish, immature, impulsive act, for which the dog will ultimately pay the price. It is a tragedy in the making... for the dog.

You are not prepared to own a dog (and I suspect that you know this). You are treating the dog like a disposable commodity... one that you can acquire impulsively and then give away when the dog becomes inconvenient and/or when things go wrong. And trust me, when one is not prepared to provide a proper home for a dog, things will go wrong. We do not have ANY dog available to you. You need to get permanently situated BEFORE you acquire any dog.

If you decide you want to show, you need to get an idea of what is involved. The Doberman ring in this country is very competitive, especially in the Northeast. I urge you to contact a handler (Kelly Marquis is excellent, there are others as well), to get an idea of the commitment involved in showing a Doberman in the Northeast. It can be great fun, but it is not something one should jump into without asking some basic questions about costs, time, training required, etc. And you should know, if you put the dogs first, there is NO PROFIT in showing and breeding dogs. When all is said and done, you will be very lucky to break even.

We wish you all the best.

-Elaine
http://logresfarm.com/ and http://dogshownewsnetwork.com

[Elaine]

Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 06:07:43 +0900
From: blcalvo2@yahoo.co.jp
Subject: Donations!
To: mrspatriciaallen1@centrum.cz


Please Reply Urgently!
Reply to mrspatriciaallen@terra.com

Dear,
I am contacting you to let you know my desire to establish a charity foundation in your country with this sum US$: 1.800.000 (One million eight hundred thousand US Dollars) which I inherited from my late husband (Mr. Carlos Allen)

It is my desire to see that this money is invested to any organization of your choice in your country and distributed each year among the charity organizations, motherless baby’s home, mosques, churches, Schools, supporting destitute aged men and women or whatever you may have in mind that will be to the benefit of the less fortunate.

I took this decision because I was raised from a motherless baby’s home and presently, I'm hospitalized here in (London) where I am undergoing treatment for my up coming breast cancer surgery operation.

Please reply as soon as possible to confirming your acceptance to claim the deposit on my behalf so that I will give you all the relevant information that will authorise the release and transfer of the money to you as my duly assigned representative.

Thank you in advance for your consideration and I hope to hear from you urgently.

Please contact me at my home email address
(mrspatriciaallen@terra.com)

Yours sincerely faithful
Patricia Allen (Mrs)


Dearest Beloved Mrs. Allen:

Oh absolutely!!!! Please, I insist, send the money immediately. In fact you can wire it directly to my account #123456789 at Crooks R Us, National Bank Of Fraud, 666 Ansonia Station, New York, Old York.

Btw, I too am the son of a motherless baby. And, are you by any chance related to Paul... as in The Paul Allen... formerly with Microsoft? I hear that he had Brad and Angelina staying at his villa in Cannes during the Film Festival...any chance you can me an invite. Or, better yet, an invite on to the yacht?

Sadam