Chinese Cresteds

[Elaine]

Even notice how many Afghan people have Cresteds... what’s that about? One extreme to another... too much hair to no hair at all. :D

On the Tarheel we saw Karen’s bitch Special Ch. Pahlavi Mustang Sally. What a stunning creature... love the fall over her eye... so dramatic... a diva. Wish I had gotten a photo of her to show you all. I think Karen has just started her as a Special, maybe someone here can tell us how she's been doing. If I dig through my 7000 plus emails I may have one of her as a puppy... Karen sends puppy photos from time to time.

[mosso]

It used to be that many AH fanciers had IG's... (take Carl Sanders, for instance, and there are more of course) ... maybe it was the introduction of that toy "My Little Pony" that was responsible for the switch? :p

I admit, I have a Crested. :eek: We're his retirement home. It started out when I was babysitting him for a friend while she moved (which coincided with the end of his specials career, during which he decided dog shows weren't terribly special and were too much work) ...

I am going to claim 'altered state of mind' as my excuse, b/c I happened to be very ill at the time, and he grew on me, so when he "needed" a home (a very loose use of the word!), he remained with us. I was TWICKED!

Did you know, they are actually Alien Life Forms? They arrive in pumpkins, and I have proof...
http://www.mosso.net/mosso_images/captain/twelve.jpg

hahah!
Stir

[andyhilt27]

Great pic stir!!! I am now on a quest to find a pumpkin big enough for Eva to pop out of.:)

[Janice McGerr]

That is a really cute picture, but I think Andy will have a big fight on his hands trying to put Eva in any size one!!!:D

[andyhilt27]

Janice are you suggesting Eva is not obedient?????? LOL she would have a fit! Is that abuse....trying to stuff a doberman into a pumpkin?:D

[mosso]

ok, big pumpkins are HEAVY! just ask Todd...
this was CH Pagan when he was a wee lad, I think around 14 wks or so...
http://www.mosso.net/mosso_images/pagan/Pagan-in-Pumpkin.jpg
heh heh heh
Stir
(who also likes monster trucks...)

[Elaine]

What a cutie... you should enter the Win $100 Photo contest. DSNN members vote... who knows what will happen. :)

[Ann Lanier]

So, Stir...

I've gotten to old to assure a Doberman a forever home. I'm down to a Yorkie whom I adore. (A size so small and so cute there would be no problem placing her if I die.) But I was always intrigued by the Chinese Cresteds. What did you find so appealing? Are they Sissy-Babies? Snuggle Bunnies? Tough Terriers?

Do they need little clothes to stay warm? And jammies at night? They are just so downright cool looking, but I have never had the opportunity to get to know one.

ann

[andyhilt27]

Ann....Have you ever considered a toy fox terrier? I will post pics of our Tabitha soon. We may breed her the next heat cycle. Her puppy photos are adorable!

[pretty dobe]

Ann, I had the opportunity to have crested puppies in my arms this past weekend. Two hairless and two powderpuffs 7 weeks old. I asked Phil and Patty Smith about their temperments. They are high energy and busy dogs that are aways up for what ever you want to do. They love to give hugs and snuggle and watch TV. If I was going to get a small dog, I think that woud be the breed since they are cute and I love the hairless. Right now the blacks are in most demand and two of the pups were black. The powderpuffs were black and white. Cute, cute, cute!!!!!

Judie

[mosso]

Ann-
sorry for the late reply! (I got lost...)

Stand around long enough ringside, and someone will shove one in your arms!

Seriously, we babysat the little bugger, and his personality grew on us. He became available (ahem), so we kept him. In my defense, I was very ill at the time, and didn't know any better. heh heh He really wasn't planned, but don't tell him that.

I adore IG's, and we don't have one yet. The clothes for both breeds are cute. The collars for the IG's are WAY better though, due to no crest getting in the way. And having Afghan Hounds, I am used to the beaky noses...

I've been reading about Affenpinschers and Brussels Griffons, and they seem really neat as well. I think each breed has it's charm (and not-so-charm). And then there are Pomeranians....mmm mm mmm, good enough to eat! Too small for my household, but they are lovely.

sigh!
stir

[andyhilt27]

Stir, when will you get a doberman? :D:D:D

[mosso]

When I get tired of my dogs ignoring me?? heh heh

[Ann Lanier]

Thanks for the info on the Pony Puppies.

They are so cute, no need for excuses. I am always struck by the resemblance of these little guys to tiny fairy horses. Couldn't you just see them with tiny exquisite little saddles with lots of sparkles and itty bitty fairies trailing goldy dust behind?

Okay but I know they are really they are dogs after all. I think they are really interesting little dogs and one gets to dress them too. Sounds like they are personality plus!

When I was doing the German Pinscher Magazine I went to some rare breed shows and saw some very tiny fox terriers. Oh my! Were they cute. And there was the teeniest little puppy just tormenting the adults in her pen. She was running around, nipping at them, play bowing, barking this teensy weensie bark, no bigger than a minute, but feisty! She was ready to take on the world!

My vet is the daughter of a long time Doberman breeder. She recommended the Yorkie and I haven't regretted it for one moment. She felt, of the tiny dogs, Yorkies had a Doberman spirit. They are stoic and brave and yet still dependent like other toys. I adore my Picabo and have been surprised at how intelligent she is. She recognizes herself, and me, in the mirror... she learned to look in the mirrored closet door to see if I was on my bed, way over her head. I just lay her on her back to trim her toenails, she is so cooperative. I took her from here (Oregon,) on a flight to New York. She looked out the window as we took off with great interest until the ground disappeared and then calmly fell asleep. I'm sooo hooked.

Let's face it! They are all wonderful. All dogs are just wonderful... although I DO think Neapolitan Mastiffs might take some getting used to. I might need to start with a puppy there. ...

a

[andyhilt27]

My only complaint with toy breeds is that they are extremely difficult to potty train outside. Stubborn little boogers. Potty pads or litter box training is almost always a must in my experience with them. Of course I am dealing with intact females so I could be wrong in this stereo typing. But every breed has their downfall in one way or another.

[mosso]

good point Andy - that, and you have to have a sharp knife to get them OUT of the PUMPKIN! :D stir

[andyhilt27]

Sharp knife? I have to get permission for that one.:D

[RaindanceIGs]

Cresteds are a GREAT breed! Although I must admit, the hairless ones just freak me out when you touch them ;) I had a powderpuff here that I was showing for a friend and he was a great dog and for a 'hairy' dog the grooming really wasn't so bad, and in fact next week I'll be getting another powderpuff here to show for a bit (from my same canadian friend). I told my friend if I were ever to have a crested it would have to be a black & white powderpuff male :) Am hoping some day she'll breed one for me!

Yes there's quite a few Afghan people with IGs, as IGs are a 'logical' breed for the sighthound people to go to when they want to downsize, since IGs are the smallest of the sighthound family. I'm pretty sure though that Carl Sanders does not handle or breed IGs anymore, haven't seen him around in a number of years.

[andyhilt27]

My mother in law was showing an IG for a stint. Can't remember her name for the life of me. Sweet dog. I must admit I would never own one. They seem too fragile. Perhaps my experience is with an IG that seemed to not have any confidence. Is this the norm for the breed? I am used to Dobes and TFTs that aren't lacking confidence that's for sure.

I am not bashing IG's by any means, just not for me. My wife loves them...Salukis too. My wife also likes Rhodesian Ridgebacks, must be the low croups:confused:

[RaindanceIGs]

My mother in law was showing an IG for a stint. Can't remember her name for the life of me. Sweet dog. I must admit I would never own one. They seem too fragile. Perhaps my experience is with an IG that seemed to not have any confidence. Is this the norm for the breed? I am used to Dobes and TFTs that aren't lacking confidence that's for sure.

I am not bashing IG's by any means, just not for me. My wife loves them...Salukis too. My wife also likes Rhodesian Ridgebacks, must be the low croups:confused:

"Aloof" is typical for the temperaments of many breeds in the sighthound family, and is pretty common for IGs. While some people feel it's a drawback, it's actually something that makes the breed even more endearing to me. There's something very special about when an IG (or one of the more aloof sighthounds - Salukis, Afghans, etc) decides that they feel you are "worthy" of their affection :) I like that in the eyes of most of my dogs, for all they care I could be the only person on earth that exists - they love me and could care less about everyone else! I've also actually owned some very outgoing IGs too, and that type of temperament is just not for me - they don't seem to care who their owner is and would go home with anyone for some food ;) I do however believe the dogs need to have stable temperaments and be reasonably comfortable anywhere I choose to take them - but whether or not they decide they'd like to acknowledge any other human beings even exist is up to them :)

As far as being fragile - they are definitely hardier than they look - but they can break if they are doing something stupid. They can jump real high and go real fast proportionately for their size (5-6ft in the air from a standstill, and 25mph in a matter of seconds) - and those long legs can get caught in things you'd be surprised about (ie: wire crates and IGs are a BAD combo). I no longer let the IGs play with the dobes since the current dobes are just too clumsy. So their only interactions are saying "hi" to each other through a gate, or on leash :)

Great breed - but definitely NOT for everyone!!!!

[andyhilt27]

A clumsy Doberman??? Where? :D

[andyhilt27]

One of our Toy Fox Terriers (SuzieQ) really shows the influence of the Italian Greyhound to the breed. Smooth Fox Terriers were crossed to Chihuahuas, Manchester Terriers, Min Pins, IG's among others to form the breed as we know it today.

SuzieQ has great speed and strength. Her movement is phenominal. She is notorious around here for her jumping ability. With that being said, she is a bit long and her tailset is low much like an IG. She does have a great rear (well angulated and muscular), I love her head shape, neck, and shoulders. Her feet are tight and all point straight. In my book she is an improvement over her mother who is a Ch. She is Akc pointed, but she will have a hard time finishing. A bitch with prettier markings that is more square and has a better tailset will beat SuzieQ 9 times out of 10 regardless of movement or any of the above mentioned.

We will begin her health testing soon and probably breed her in late 2010. Hopefully being a bit larger than her mother, we won't have the same complications with her in the whelping box.

[Janice McGerr]

I like the looks of a good Chinese Crested. I find them sooo cute.
But will not own one, Dobermans when excited would run them over. And I would fear brocken bones. Mybe in my next life.

[RaindanceIGs]

One of our Toy Fox Terriers (SuzieQ) really shows the influence of the Italian Greyhound to the breed. Smooth Fox Terriers were crossed to Chihuahuas, Manchester Terriers, Min Pins, IG's among others to form the breed as we know it today.

SuzieQ has great speed and strength. Her movement is phenominal. She is notorious around here for her jumping ability. With that being said, she is a bit long and her tailset is low much like an IG. She does have a great rear (well angulated and muscular), I love her head shape, neck, and shoulders. Her feet are tight and all point straight. In my book she is an improvement over her mother who is a Ch. She is Akc pointed, but she will have a hard time finishing. A bitch with prettier markings that is more square and has a better tailset will beat SuzieQ 9 times out of 10 regardless of movement or any of the above mentioned.

We will begin her health testing soon and probably breed her in late 2010. Hopefully being a bit larger than her mother, we won't have the same complications with her in the whelping box.

I think the TFTs are a great breed!! But, I hear you about markings. Coming from Dobermans it's something I obviously never paid any attention to ;) And even now in IGs, I don't understand why judges or fellow breeders think so much about them. I know that in IGs a dog with very pretty/flashy markings who is mediocre can be shown and even specialed quite successfully over a very good dog with plain or not quite as pretty markings. Hopefully you'll be able to find some judges who can appreciate her strong points, it's a big peeve of mine people who can only 'fault judge' and never look at the overall virtues because they get hung up on one thing. Sounds like she has a lot of nice things to offer your breeding problem :)

[andyhilt27]

Yeah, I would suspect a flashy pretty bitch would take precedence over structure in any toy breed (which is why her mother did so well). They're sole purpose is to be a companion dog and look pretty. SuzieQ would do well at flyball or agility. Having recently lost my job and receiving a nice severance package, I may spend some time in training her. I may show her a few more times in the confirmation ring but I am not going to waste a lot of resources in doing so. The "Ch." in front of the name is nice and ultimately my goal down the road, however it doesn't really affect what comes out in the whelping box.

[RaindanceIGs]

The "Ch." in front of the name is nice and ultimately my goal down the road, however it doesn't really affect what comes out in the whelping box.

I agree! I often say, if dog shows ended tomorrow - it would not change the goals of my breeding program :) The titles themselves don't mean too much to me.