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Elaine
09-10-2008, 01:27 AM
There are lots of photos of Stella with Dr. Danoff on the thread http://dogshownewsnetwork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=461
Here are even more, of Dr. Danoff's home, her clinic and some of her animals, including her beloved Charlie and several of her cats. All of these photos were provided to the DPCA Rescue Committee and to the DPCA board. I wonder if either group actually looked at them. I wonder if (at the urging of someone like Cheri McNealy/ CyberDobes) they focused solely on McGeary and Getter's pile of manure, and formed an opinion without ever looking at Dr. Danoff, her home, her medical practice and the life she had provided Stella. I believe that Marcia Cowen (the DPCA Rescue Chair), sent Sam Burke their complaint write-up DAYS before Dr. Danoff had even submitted her response.
As you look through these photos of Dr. Danoff’s home and her clinic I ask you to consider, by what standard of perfection does Dr. Danoff fall short? How credible are any of the claims that Dr Danoff was an abusive home for Stella? How credible are any of the people who have attacked Dr. Danoff.
We can not take back the malicious defamatory untruths that have been disseminated about Dr. Danoff on CyberDobes and other internet sites by a group of delusional rogue rescue people who ran amuck, stealing Stella, ripping her from the healthy happy life she had with Dr. Danoff. We can not un-ring the bell and take back all the defamatory things that have been said about Dr. Danoff on Cyberdobes and other internet sites.... but we can collectively do the right thing, we can all work to see that the criminals who have Stella return her immediately.
We are all responsible for the world we live in, we each have a duty to stand up for what is right. All of us in the Doberman community and in the larger dog community need to work together to bring Stella home. Someone, somewhere knows where Stella is, or who has her. It would only take one phone call to set this right.
Anyone who has any information regarding Stella's disappearance should contact police investigator Eric Heflin at 540-665-6383. If you helped to transport her or if you were asked to help transport her or if you have information at all about her, I encourage you to contact the police and tell them what you know.
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Anyone who has any information regarding Stella's disappearance should contact police investigator Eric Heflin at 540-665-6383. If you helped to transport her or if you were asked to help transport her or if you have information at all about her, I encourage you to contact the police and tell them what you know.
Elaine
09-10-2008, 01:30 AM
and more
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Anyone who has any information regarding Stella's disappearance should contact police investigator Eric Heflin at 540-665-6383. If you helped to transport her or if you were asked to help transport her or if you have information at all about her, I encourage you to contact the police and tell them what you know.
Elaine
09-10-2008, 01:32 AM
and Dr. Danoff's clinic
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Anyone who has any information regarding Stella's disappearance should contact police investigator Eric Heflin at 540-665-6383. If you helped to transport her or if you were asked to help transport her or if you have information at all about her, I encourage you to contact the police and tell them what you know.
Elaine
09-10-2008, 01:35 AM
more of Dr. Danoff's clinic
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Anyone who has any information regarding Stella's disappearance should contact police investigator Eric Heflin at 540-665-6383. If you helped to transport her or if you were asked to help transport her or if you have information at all about her, I encourage you to contact the police and tell them what you know.
Elaine
09-10-2008, 01:37 AM
Here is Stella's extended family, including Charles, Kim’s beloved black lab mix, who had the same deformity as Stella. Charles and Stella were best buddies. Charles had cancer. Kim had always hoped that Stella would be returned in time for Charles to see her one more time before he died. That did not happen. Charles passed on without ever seeing Stella again.
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Anyone who has any information regarding Stella's disappearance should contact police investigator Eric Heflin at 540-665-6383. If you helped to transport her or if you were asked to help transport her or if you have information at all about her, I encourage you to contact the police and tell them what you know.
Elaine
09-10-2008, 01:42 AM
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Anyone who has any information regarding Stella's disappearance should contact police investigator Eric Heflin at 540-665-6383. If you helped to transport her or if you were asked to help transport her or if you have information at all about her, I encourage you to contact the police and tell them what you know.
Some one, somewhere knows something, either where Stella is, or who has her. It would only take a call to Eric Heflin.
Please, let's bring Stella home
Ann Lanier
09-10-2008, 10:59 AM
The pictures say all that needs to be said.
I understand that Alla never met Kim, let alone visited her home or clinic before "rescuing" Stella. Neither did the people-world wide who called for Kim's demise, and the amputation of Stella's leg, without even checking to see if the smear campaign circulated on a petition had any basis in fact. I have seen judgement on everything from Kim's hardwood floors being too slippery to the cruelty of Stella's 'having' to go to work with Kim every day.
Kim, who cared for Stella, has said she used her leg to hold chew toys and to balance. Stella didn't view herself as a cripple, that's the way she was born. She was used to it, she was using her leg, living with all she had ever known. And now her useful arm may have been amputated and she has to learn to walk again? It's not as if her arm was a dangling and useless appendage, or causing her pain. It was jointed and had full enervation and musculature. She was using it. Whose idea was it to snatch it off? You want to talk about abuse?
What a crying shame.
Kim, I am so sorry.
a
And now her useful arm may have been amputated and she has to learn to walk again? It's not as if her arm was a dangling and useless appendage, or causing her pain. It was jointed and had full enervation and musculature. She was using it. Whose idea was it to snatch it off? You want to talk about abuse?
Hi, Ann. We do not know for a fact whether or not Stella's leg was amputated by those who stole her or helped to steal her. It is likely however that they did cut her leg off. Several public posts appeared on Cyberdobes, endorsing and approving an amputation, including this one from Steve Martin:
<<From: Steve Martin
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 5:42 PM
To: Cyberdobes
Subject: Re: [Cyberdobes] Re: Stella's leg
**All posts are the property/opinion of the original authors.**
Julie,
I have a three legged Doberboy who is now 10. We had his leg amputed at age 1 1/2 and since then he has THRIVED. We could have left the deformed leg on him but the "experienced" vets all recommended that the leg come off for proper balance and to free him of the incumbrance so he could move properly. To have done otheriwse would have been cruel. Certainly stating that a Dobe's life would be shortened if the leg were removed is shear ignorance IMO.
Steve
steve@doberman911.org>>
Mr Martin believes that allowing Stella to retain her deformed leg would have been "cruel" and "shear [sic] ignorance". Of course, I have no idea how Mr Martin arrived at his conclusions regarding the best course of care for Stella.
However, I would have to believe that Mr Martin failed to read the following recommendation from a board certified orthopedic surgeon regarding the best course of care for Stella (note that I have intentionally redacted this surgeon's name as he doesn't need the "haters" defaming him on the internet). I have 'bolded' several key points for your review:
From: **********************
To: vetrehab@aol.com
Sent: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 9:44 am
Subject: Patient with ectrodactyly
Dear Sir of Madam,
This letter is in regard to a yound Deberman Pinscher you are hosting who has ectrodactyly of the left forelimb. I teach orthopedics and rehabilitation at North Carolina State University and would like to comment on the medical care of that patient.
I am aware of the fact that an amputation of the left forelimb is being considered for this patient. I urge you to postpone this amputation at this point until this dog completes his bone growth and possibly beyond that point. Performing an amputation in a skeletally immature dog of large breed present a significant risk of abnormal growth in other limbs, bone deformities, and tissue laxity because of the changes in loading patterns of the remaining limbs.
Also, significant progress has been made recently in canine orthotics. I co-authored a chapter on this topic last year.
While most veterinarians and surgeons are unfamiliar with orthoses, they could be a great help to this patient. I intend to collaborate with Dr. Danoff to make sure that this dog's limb use and quality of life are optimized in the short term (by avoiding amputation and preparing an orthosis) and later on (by discussing long term options, including external or internal prostheses).
Please let me know f you have any questions regarding this situation.
Sincerely yours,
*****************, DEDV, CCRP
Associate Professor, Orthopedic Surgery
Diplomate ACVS, ECVS>>
If Stella's leg has been amputated, then we certainly won't be able to provide her with any kind of prosthesis, internal or external. And I do fear that amputation may have happened as a result of misguided intentions and perhaps a desire to hide her.
Athy
admin
09-10-2008, 11:33 AM
At this point I am so angry with these “rescue lunatics” I could scream. I think it’s fair to say that Stella has been mutilated (a.k.a. she has had her front leg amputated). While some vets may think that was an appropriate course of action, Dr. Kim Danoff (who knew Stella and has experience with this type of deformity), and an Orthopedic Surgeon at NCSU who reviewed Stella's case thought it was the wrong thing to do, and said so.
I would like each and every one of these rescue lunatics prosecuted to the fullest extent allowed by law. I would then like them found liable in a civil action. I will do whatever it takes to see that Stella is returned.
So, the gloves are off, at the risk of loosing a dear friend, Arthur and I will not protect ANYONE who has any knowledge of any kind that might help bring Stella home.
We were introduced to the Alla McGeary saga by Tracy Daugherty, who owns Titus. Early on Tracy was an “expert” on Alla and on “the abusive Dr. Kim Danoff.” I believe Tracy even contacted Dr. Sophia Koster (in response to a post on CyberDobes) to tell Sophia that Danoff was bad and Alla was good. Tracy now wants to be a veterinarian... she wants to distance herself from this mess. I believe Tracy knows much more than she wants to say. I believe that Tracy knows who has Stella and/or who had Stella. I think originally Tracy and other volunteers were swept up in the drama of this, and they exercised extraordinarily bad judgment in supporting Alla’s criminal activity. I believe that Tracy could help with some details that might end this. At the very least, she and others who supported Alla should come forward with all they know. There may be some detail that they do not realize is important, that will help get Stella back. In my opinion, it is far far too late for Tracy to simply back away from this. Tracy and every one else involved in this in any way, even if it’s just knowing the name of a person who may know where Stella is, needs to come forward now, today, and call Eric Heflin ... do the right thing, here, talk to Eric Heflin and tell him everything you know... now... today!!! Tracy and Alla's supporters could do so much now - today - to repair the damage that has been done, if they would find the courage to come forward and help get Stella back.
Anyone who has any information regarding Stella's disappearance should contact police investigator Eric Heflin at 540-665-6383. If you helped to transport her or if you were asked to help transport her or if you have information at all about her, I encourage you to contact the police and tell them what you know.
Please, let's bring Stella home... today!!!
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Inspector Clouseau
09-10-2008, 11:51 AM
Was this evidence presented to the DPCA Rescue Committee? Did they see these pictures? Did they see these letters, objective evidence that Kim Danoff was caring lovingly for Stella?
It is one thing for people like McNeally and Martin to dismiss the truth in their pursuit of a cruel vendetta. They do it all the time. We expect nothing better from they and their ilk.
But for the DPCA Board to ignore the truth is indefensible. Here are the "directors" at work:
Motion 07-45 (Christensen/DiNardo) to accept the DPCA Rescue
Committee’s recommendation for DARE as follows:
• Remove DARE from the DPCA Rescue website
• Remove DARE from all DPCA rescue listings
• Be disqualified from receiving any financial support from DPCA from
April 31, 2007 for a period of two years.
• Remove any reference to DPCA from the DARE website
Motion passed with eight affirmative votes, one negative vote and two
abstentions.
In what way does this sanction help Dobermans? Not in the slightest. It is a transparent attempt to damage DARE and injure Athy. Christensen and DiNardo once again demonstrate that they dance to the tune played by McNeally.
And now the DPCA has allowed the indicted McGeary to become a member. Elaine called the DPCA BOD a trainwreck. My thinking is more on the lines of a ruptured sewer.
That McNeally is a curse on the Doberman breed. No wonder she does not own one. It would bite her.
admin
09-10-2008, 11:57 AM
To a large extent Cheri McNealy and her gang of morons like Julie and Steve on CybeDobes played a role in aiding, supporting and/or encouraging Alla. It is impossible for me to hide my contempt for McNealy and her buddies. McNealy has caused more pain and havoc in the Doberman world than any other person I can think of. Who knows what a forensic audit of McNealy's compute will reveal. If McNealy has even on ounce of decency, before she walks away forever from that destructive gossip rag CyberDobes, she should use every last bit of effort possible to help bring Stella home.
Anyone who has any information regarding Stella's disappearance should contact police investigator Eric Heflin at 540-665-6383. If you helped to transport her or if you were asked to help transport her or if you have information at all about her, I encourage you to contact the police and tell them what you know.
Was this evidence presented to the DPCA Rescue Committee? Did they see these pictures? Did they see these letters, objective evidence that Kim Danoff was caring lovingly for Stella?
The letter from the board certified orthopedic surgeon was not provided to the DPCA Rescue Committee as the issue of retaining Stella's leg was not identified in the original complaint.
However, all the photographs and letters from the other veterinarians involved, the trainer and the behaviorist, plus many, many reference letters from local professionals, were forwarded on to the DPCA in the DAR&E response.
Athy
Inspector Clouseau
09-10-2008, 12:10 PM
One cannot look at the photographs and conclude Dr. Danoff was abusing Stella.
Anyone who does reveals their dark agenda.
The DPCA has a lot to answer for. It is time to either fix the DPCA or shut it down. They should never have allowed that McGeary person into the club until she cleared her name.
To contrast the treatment of Ann Lanier with Alla McGeary makes you realize McNeally and her ilk have turned the the DPCA into a ruptured sewer.
admin
09-10-2008, 12:16 PM
We need to send links to these threads to the members of the DPCA Board and to the membership. At the very least, they should not be able to hide behind, "we didn't know."
Elaine
09-10-2008, 12:23 PM
Someone raised a question about Stella and her weight before she went to Dr. Danoff. Here is a photo that I believe was taken the day Dr. Danoff first saw Stella. She was pretty thin even then.
The photo caption from Dr. Danoff is "The day Stella and I met-at Maryland SPCA."
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Tracy Daugherty
09-11-2008, 05:24 PM
Elaine and others,
I have already spoke to Eric Heflin and he knows what I know. Which is absolutely nothing when it comes to Stella, her whereabouts, how she got there, who got her there, or whether or not her leg was amputated. Again, in case I wasn't clear I DO NOT KNOW.
I will admit to being emotionally involved in the beginning, but never claimed to be an "expert". I formed opinions based on the available information at the time and what I was told and read. I do not personally know Dr. Danoff and can admit to developing an opinion based on what were possibly half truths and one sided details. For that, I probably owe her an apology. BUT I have been an Alla supporter due to the fact that when this initially happened I felt she was doing what she felt was right for that dog. As part of the general membership all I knew was that a home visit report said it was not a good placement (with Kim), DARE removed the dog and placed it with Alla for fostering. DARE BOD then (according to information available to membership) decided to give the dog back to Kim. Alla refused and many of the volunteers sided with her as it did not make sense for the BOD to just change their minds with no explanation. Anyway, the details to this situation are far and wide and many have formed opinions on what did/did not or should/should not have happened. All I can tell you is that in the beginning this is what it appeared to me. Again, never claimed to be the expert. It may have been helpful for the membership to understand what was happening had the BOD been more forthcoming with information in the beginning. But the reality is my involvement consisted of being included on emails regarding court dates and court happenings, and I accompanied 4-5 other volunteers to the 1st court hearing, but have been to none since. I'm not choosing to distance myself due to vet school or whatever else was suggested. The reality is I have no information that can help or hurt anyone any further and there doesn't seem to be an ending in sight. This has been going on for a very long time. If Kim truly loves and cared for Stella, I hope she gets her back. I know that I would go to hell and back for any one of my dogs. I think Alla did what she felt was right at the time. But in closing let me say again that I DO NOT KNOW anything about where Stella is or her condition.
Tracy Daugherty
Elaine
09-11-2008, 05:29 PM
Elaine and others,
I have already spoke to Eric Heflin and he knows what I know. Which is absolutely nothing when it comes to Stella, her whereabouts, how she got there, who got her there, or whether or not her leg was amputated. Again, in case I wasn't clear I DO NOT KNOW.
I will admit to being emotionally involved in the beginning, but never claimed to be an "expert". I formed opinions based on the available information at the time and what I was told and read. I do not personally know Dr. Danoff and can admit to developing an opinion based on what were possibly half truths and one sided details. For that, I probably owe her an apology. BUT I have been an Alla supporter due to the fact that when this initially happened I felt she was doing what she felt was right for that dog. As part of the general membership all I knew was that a home visit report said it was not a good placement (with Kim), DARE removed the dog and placed it with Alla for fostering. DARE BOD then (according to information available to membership) decided to give the dog back to Kim. Alla refused and many of the volunteers sided with her as it did not make sense for the BOD to just change their minds with no explanation. Anyway, the details to this situation are far and wide and many have formed opinions on what did/did not or should/should not have happened. All I can tell you is that in the beginning this is what it appeared to me. Again, never claimed to be the expert. It may have been helpful for the membership to understand what was happening had the BOD been more forthcoming with information in the beginning. But the reality is my involvement consisted of being included on emails regarding court dates and court happenings, and I accompanied 4-5 other volunteers to the 1st court hearing, but have been to none since. I'm not choosing to distance myself due to vet school or whatever else was suggested. The reality is I have no information that can help or hurt anyone any further and there doesn't seem to be an ending in sight. This has been going on for a very long time. If Kim truly loves and cared for Stella, I hope she gets her back. I know that I would go to hell and back for any one of my dogs. I think Alla did what she felt was right at the time. But in closing let me say again that I DO NOT KNOW anything about where Stella is or her condition.
Tracy Daugherty
Tracy,
Did you give Eric Heflin the name of (quoting from your email) [the] " former DARE volunteer that is very much Alla's friend/confidant very involved in all of this, which would know alot more than I do..."
Did you give Eric every single detail of what you told us early on when this all happened? And every detail of what you told Sophia Koster? Did you offer up your computer hard drive just in case you may have forgotten some bit of information that may help bring Stella home?
I can tell you two things: I would not have to check my inbox to see if I ever sent an email saying I would help Alla hide Stella. Without looking at my inbox I can tell you that the answer is, "Hell fuckin no!!! I never offered to help Alla. I think that Alla and her partners in crime are delusional lunatics." I can offer my computer and my online inbox to Eric Heflin and the police, without them having to obtain a warrant... just in case anyone ever sent me an email saying they were helping Alla hide Stella. Can you do that?
Have you actually shifted from the hideous position that you need to help and/or support Alla, to the glaring realization that what Alla and the rogue volunteers you sided with did was horribly horribly wrong? Are you doing whatever is in your power to now undo the brutal ugly tragedy that has occurred. Are you doing everything possible to undo the harm that was done to Stella and to Dr. Danoff. Have you shifted from protecting an accused felon, to helping undo the damage done to two innocent victims of rescue volunteers run amuck? Or did you just cover your ass?
katdobemom
09-11-2008, 05:38 PM
Elaine and others,
It may have been helpful for the membership to understand what was happening had the BOD been more forthcoming with information in the beginning.
Tracy Daugherty
Tracy
This is not true. As you may have forgotten, the DAR&EBOD answered all the questions that were asked surrounding Stella and loaded them all into a complete file that every single volunteer had access to on dareyahoo.
While they may have been not the answers the Alla supporters wanted to hear, they were answered by the entire board.
Elaine
09-11-2008, 10:43 PM
It may have been helpful for the membership to understand what was happening had the BOD been more forthcoming with information in the beginning.
Tracy,
I think you're a very good person, but I’m confused about your comment quoted above. Just how much information did you and your other rescue volunteers want? It’s my understanding that you were given free reign over about a week to ask any question you wanted about Stella's situation... and that each and every question was painstakingly answered by the DARE BoD. I’ve seen the questions and answers. What more did you guys want?
Even more on point, what answer would have made you come to your senses and give Stella back to Dr. Danoff? What in god's name were you .... looking for? And why in god’s name did any of you ever think you had the right to hold Stella for ransom until you got the answer you wanted. It was for the BoD of DARE to make the decision on Stella and Dr. Danoff... not Tracy, John, Alla, Wanda, Steve, and a gang of volunteers.
What planet do you live on where half a dozen of the lowest level of volunteers in a organization of 100, with an elected board, demands that the Board justifies the decision in a matter that is none of your business to start with... and then steals the dog because you all did not like the answers you got. Why were you and people like, Wanda, Chris, Terry, Jill and Getter even sticking your noses in Dr. Danoff’s adoption of Stella? Why weren’t you busy with adoptions that you were involved with? What on earth prompted any of you to ever get involved with Alla and Stella? Reading through the questions you asked, you must have been pretty close to these people that you were so well versed on every detail of an adoption that you had nothing to do with. Why were you so involved, didn't you have a full time job?
How did your position as a rescue volunteer mushroom into supporting Stella's theft of a dog?
Seems like some little rescue volunteer gossip mill got up a head of steam and started spreading wildly inaccurate defamatory stories, and you all acted on them, with the end result that you all supported a malicious ugly (arguably brutal) criminal act.
At the very least you all need to petition the Board of the DPCA to rescind their action against DARE for placing Stella with Dr. Kim Danoff (which we now know was a superb home for Stella). That is one of the many steps you and your friends could take to help make this right. That, and you could all work to bring Stella home... now.
And you mentioned that you have started to receive hate mail from Alla supporters. Who are these people sending you hate mail? Was John Getter one of them?
Anyone who has any information regarding Stella's disappearance should contact police investigator Eric Heflin at 540-665-6383. If you helped to transport her or if you were asked to help transport her or if you have information at all about her, I encourage you to contact the police and tell them what you know.__________________
Spartan
09-12-2008, 12:00 AM
It seems to me that this situation has gotten way out of hand. More than a year of silliness over a difference of opinion. How much money, time and heart ache has been caused? What it all boils down to is far too much emotion and not enough thinking took place. I have spent the better part of the last 14 years Interrogating people that steal from the company I work for. In that time I have seen good folks do some really dumb stuff because they did not use the good sense they were born with. I have seen good people flush promising careers away because they got pulled in to something or caught up in the "drama" someone else has created. Then group think takes over and like lemmings off they go doing crazy things. Then I show up to have a talk with them and reality strikes. Grown intelligent people with 6 figure salaries crying like babies because they do not know why they let themselves be led astray. Some have lost everything after they were caught, their houses, families, and jobs. After 3500 cases in my career with a 98% conviction rate people still ask me why they do this stuff. Their bosses say I don't get it, why would they risk it? In 14 years I have come up few answers as to why. I do know that some times there is no logical reason why people do what they do. The KEY being there is NO LOGICAL answer. In many cases we will never know the all important "WHY".
However I have seen a pattern in my travels doing what I do for a living, and I have traveled coast to coast to Interrogate people. I have even worked with the FBI and Secret Service on cases. The pattern as I see it is simple and statistically has been born out. In any group of people there is always 1 person that will ALWAYS do the right thing, no matter what. There is 1 person that will always do the wrong thing, no matter what. The rest are sitting on the fence waiting to get pulled on way or the other. Given the correct set of circumstances they will make the wrong choice. That could be as simple as the loudest voice drawing them to the dark side so to speak (sorry I love Star Wars). Sometimes it is as simple wanting to be part of something bigger than themselves. The scary part is that the people leading the charge always THINK THEY are DOING THE RIGHT THING when in reality they are not. The bad part is they convince otherwise sensible people to go along with them, because they play to the emotion everyone of us feels when we think an animal is being abused. Then common sense goes out the window. We get wrapped up and think everyone should think like us, and how can I be wrong, I always do the right thing, and this person getting me all fired up is my friend so they cannot be wrong. Then the hole gets deeper and deeper and one day for some of the folks that were charging side by side with the lunatics, dawn breaks and they realize they are off track and say Oh sh*t how did I get here. By then too much has been said and the damage is done. But this is where INTEGRITY comes into play. If at your core you are really the good person you claim to be you must stand up call the foul on yourself and do what you can to make things right.
This is the hardest part of the process because at this point one has to look in the mirror and be disappointed with the person looking back. But this is also where peace can be found, a clear conscience makes for a good nights sleep. Making mistakes is part of the human condition. Part of being a good human and having your name remembered when you are gone is not about what mistakes were made but rather how those mistakes were rectified and what was learned from them. Growth comes from being able to find the strength to say I screwed up and am willing to do what it takes to make it right. The other option which is the one about 80% of the people I deal with make is to dig in and blame everyone else. It is to take no ownership for your own personal actions and not wake up to the error of your ways.
With all that being said I think it is time for these folks to realize that they will never see eye to eye with the DARE BOD, or Danoff, but that it is time to relent and move on. It is time for the folks who screwed up to stand up and do the right thing. Sending hate mail will not help, taking steps will. As with politics there are more opinions on how to "properly" care for a dog than I care to think about. I have many friends that love their dogs and think they provide the best home possible, but the nails are too long and the dog does not get a bath as often as I think it should. They feed them stuff I would not feed the strays that visit our property to eat the food Cheryl puts out. Are they bad owners? That is up to each person to decide on their own, but I do know this, one of them lived in his truck for a week until he could find a place that would let him keep his dog. He left the dog with me while he was in another state trying to get it all worked out. He would drive 8 hours after work to come and spend his days off with her and then 8 hours back the morning he had to be at work. Bad owner? Feeds a crappy food in my opinion, but a friend who would do that for me is a friend for life.
~Strength and Honor~
Bob
katdobemom
09-12-2008, 07:13 AM
Elaine and others,
If Kim truly loves and cared for Stella, I hope she gets her back. I know that I would go to hell and back for any one of my dogs. I think Alla did what she felt was right at the time. But in closing let me say again that I DO NOT KNOW anything about where Stella is or her condition.
Tracy Daugherty
Tracy
I think the photo's speak for themselves that Kim absolutely loves Stella whole heart and soul.
I find it ironic you mention going to hell and back if one of your dogs were stolen yet when Kim and DARE board tried to do just that (legally) we were chastised and called a host of names by the Alla supporters.
What would make anyone think Kim would sit back and do nothing?
By supporting Alla this is telling us that you think dog theft and breaking the law is ok.
I hope I never have to know the pain Kim has been thru and wouldnt wish this on my worst enemy.
Tracy, it was mentioned also you are rec'ing threat e-mails from the Alla supporters but truly have to say this is what happens when you align yourself with folks who think its ok to break the law.
admin
09-12-2008, 07:30 AM
I would like the DPCA Board OF Directors to see this thread and the others about Dr. Danoff.
http://dogshownewsnetwork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=435 (http://dogshownewsnetwork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=435)
http://dogshownewsnetwork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=461 (http://dogshownewsnetwork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=461)
http://dogshownewsnetwork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=441 (http://dogshownewsnetwork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=441)
Come the time for our next DPCA elections, I want to be able to inquire from ANY candidate for ANY DPCA office how and why they voted as they did on any issue related to DARE or Alla McGeary.
I do not want any DPCA elected official to be able to hide behind “I did not know the truth about DARE, or about the wonderful home Dr. Kim Danoff provided Stella... and the rest of the Alla McGeary / criminal defendant situation." I do not want any elected official of the DCPA to be able to hide behind, “Sorry, but in my defense, I only heard half the story.” Or, “I was too busy to take the time to learn the truth and no one told me.” The DPCA BoD is made up of individuals who choose to run for the DPCA Board. They have a duty to be well informed on issues, ideally before they engage in a coarse of action. They have a responsibility to act in the best interests of the DPCA. In my opinion, in this instance, they need to get to work immediately to undo and otherwise correct the bad decisions they have made related to Dr. Danoff and the appearance that the DPCA BoD has expressly or tacitly condoned and/or supported the felony theft of Stella. In addtion to the DPCA action taken against DARE (and the reasons for it), I think that the DPCA BoD voting on the DPCA membership of the defendant in a pending criminal action in the state of Virginia is questionable.
Our DPCA Board, possibly unduly influenced by a party in California who operates a dog chat list, acted based on distortions, half truths and out right lies... and made some very very bad choices. On this issue alone, they have put the DPCA in a very bad situation. They need to work to correct the damage that has been done, or be held accountable to the DPCA membership for their decisions not to.
Could someone please post the names and current email addresses of the DPCA Board of Directors. Lil’ Clare ate a few pages of my membership directory*... and it may have been tossed. I can not seem to find it.
*and lest some recue maniac form or hold the opinion that DPCA Membership Directories are bad for the diet, a form of abuse, and therefore a group of you decide to come “rescue Lil’Clare” and send her to some frickin underground railroad (and cut off her front leg... etc.) trust me, we will not be as kind and restrained as Kim has been.
Hi, Elaine, contact information for the DPCA board of directors is on the website www.dpca.org.
PRESIDENT: Sam Burke Jr MD; 318-687-7920 (home) 318-688-9446 (fax)
E-mail: dpcapresident@dpca.org
FIRST VICE-PRESIDENT: Dr. Anthony DiNardo; 860-521-7339
E-mail: dpcafirstvicepresident@dpca.org
SECOND VICE-PRESIDENT: Janet Van Wormer; 520-378-7299 (home & fax)
E-mail: dpcasecondvicepresident@dpca.org
RECORDING SECRETARY: Ellen Hanley; 503-266-4486 (home) 503-263-1565 (fax)
33186 S. Needy Rd Woodburn, OR 97071
E-mail: dpcarecordingsecretary@dpca.org
CORRESPONDING SECRETARY: Naomi Shorr; 503-628-3091
E-mail: dpcacorrespondingsecretary@dpca.org
MEMBERSHIP SECRETARY: Lesley Reeves-Hunt; 810-326-3792 (home)
E-mail: dpcamembershipsecretary@dpca.org
TREASURER: Robin Kelley; 508-872-1342 (home & fax)
E-mail: dpcatreasurer@dpca.org
DELEGATE TO THE AMERICAN KENNEL CLUB: Jeffrey P. Helsdon Esq.; 253-851-1178
E-mail: dpcaakcdelegate@dpca.org
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BOARD OF DIRECTORS - dpcabod@dpca.org
OCTOBER 2006 - 2008
Judith A. Brown; 713-772-9903 E-Mail: dpcaboard08jab@dpca.org
Nancy Christensen; 303-340-3673 E-Mail: dpcaboard08nc@dpca.org
Sharon Pflueger; 704-764-9317 E-Mail: dpcaboard08sp@dpca.org
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BOARD OF DIRECTORS - dpcabod@dpca.org
OCTOBER 2007- 2009
Linda Ballon; 301-990-4342 E-mail: dpcaboard09lb@dpca.org
Marj Brooks; 707-539-2050 E-mail: dpcaboard09mb@dpca.org
Nancy Heitzman; 831-659-4202 E-mail: dpcaboard09nh@dpca.org
Kalecho
09-12-2008, 11:28 AM
I feel I must comment on this, I've been observing all that's gone on in the last year with this horrible, sad situation and I have been totally appalled at the actions of Mc Nealy, her co horts and the DPCA. How dare any of them talk bad about DARE and Athy in this situation? And poor Dr Danoff, she is the one I feel most sorry for. Yes, they are condoning breaking the law! There are no words to describe how sad I feel for Dr Danoff, those pictures are some of the most heartbreaking pics I have ever seen, they broke up one beautiful and happy loving family and DPCA has the nerve to sanction DARE? I don't understand, I always felt that there was something missing in this whole story, and now the whole picture is very clear. Return Stella to Dr Danoff!!
This should have been done yesterday!
katdobemom
09-22-2008, 11:56 AM
All
If one of my dogs were taken there would be absolute hell to pay for anyone who tried to do so. I can't imagine the anguish Kim has endured and now to hear speculation about Stella's leg sickens me.
I truly dont know if I would maintain my sanity if I were in her shoes.
Early on folks kept saying she was "just a rescue". As I had mentioned in my intro to DSNN, I have purchased 3 dobes and adopted 4 over the years and I never differentiated between "just a rescue" compared to purchased. I never loved them more or less and I suspect Kim has never thought of Stella as "just a rescue".
When Marcia Cowen from DPCA rescue committee called very early on, our Board was having a meeting at Athy's, so timing was perfect. Marcia mentioned us just letting this drop and how it would get ugly etc, and then she said something that I will carry to my grave that supports one of the most inhumane things anyone has ever said. She asked us (DAR&E) to just give Kim another dog and make this all go away. Our entire board dropped their jaws to the floor.
I have to say from an outsider looking in the DPCA IMO humbly is as corrupt as corrupt can be.
This is not a club I would ever consider applying for membership.
I have owned dobermans since 1991 and would like to think I have something to offer the doberman community. Been with DAR&E for 8 years, have had 4 rescued dobes, have absolutely promoted obedience 100% with our rescue, serve on BOD for many years, and try as best of my ability to "walk the talk". My huge passion is obedience work with my dobes.
I have never in my life seen anything like DPCA, and of course this is all from outside looking in. I wonder how my other outsiders with "stuff' to offer have been turned off by their idiocy and just walked away?
Of course I am not privvy at all to any of the doings and happenings within the club so only speak by the actions I have seen from DPCA.
As far as those who have aided Alla, I feel zero sympathy for them whatsoever in what folks have posted on DSNN.
When you befriend people like John Getter, Wanda Minnick and Alla Mcgeary, you've sold your soul to the devil.......... so you then in turn try to make it all sound like you know nothing and are truly innocent and attempt to juggle both sides, you get what you get. I think people will truly see the "aiders" differently now and no matter what great redemption they attempt, folks will always carry in the back of their mind, that yes, this person thinks dog theft is ok.
I think those same folks will find themselves in a little more trouble regardless of the lies they have told Eric Heflin.
Alla's computer says differently.
This whole situation makes me ill even 2 years later.
I also hafta wonder if same people (Alla supporters) participated in the Alla saga of sending all those nasty letters to all the shelters in our area stating how corrupt DAR&E was and how they sent letters to our entire data base of adopters and applicants telling them the very same. If one dog died because a shelter chose not to contact us, I hope they all (Alla and team) rot in hell. While I am sure this information is on Alla's computer as well, we'll never know. The aiders know tho, I am sure and I hope they can live with themselves. . The dog that was placed on that cold steel table didn't know about Alla and her idiots, but that same dog will never know the love of a home that DAR&E could have found him either if those letter influenced even one shelter.
It sickens me as well that several have claimed support for Alla because they may have possibly been guided or ill informed. Thats a load of crap.
And why not at this point try to do the right thing by Stella and Kim?
Just stating you dont know on a board aint good enough IMO humbly.
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