New Alignment?

[dobesign]

What do you guys think about it? I kinda felt rooked in that the Working Group still has like, what, 28 in it, but a bunch of groups only have 11 or so. So what's up with that? Why should the odds of a Group One in working be more than twice as hard to acquire than another group? :eek:Sheesh. The Terrier Group is screwed, too.:mad::confused:

[Elaine]

I haven't seen what they've done... where did you see it? Is it on the AKC's website?

[dobesign]

AKC Group Realignment Committee - Proposed Breeds & Groups
(7/31/08)
From a presentation to the Delegates on September 8, 2008 by the AKC Group
Realignment Committee

Group 1: Sporting - Pointers and Setters (11) (12)
Brittany
Pointer
Pointer (German Shorthaired)
Pointer (German Wirehaired)
Setter (English)
Setter (Gordon)
Setter (Irish
Setter (Irish Red & White) Miscellaneous 6/27/07; Full Recognition 1/1/09
Spinone Italiano
Vizsla
Weimaraner
Wirehaired Pointing Griffon

Group 2: Sporting - Retrievers and Spaniels (17) (18)
Retriever (Chesapeake Bay)
Retriever (Curly-Coated)
Retriever (Flat-Coated)
Retriever (Golden)
Retriever (Labrador)
Retriever (Nova Scotia Duck Tolling)
Spaniel (American Water)
Spaniel (Boykin) - Miscellaneous 1/1/08
Spaniel (Clumber)
Spaniel (Cocker) ASCOB
Spaniel (Cocker) Black
Spaniel (Cocker) Parti-color
Spaniel (English Cocker)
Spaniel (English Springer)
Spaniel (Field)
Spaniel (Irish Water)
Spaniel (Sussex)
Spaniel (Welsh Springer)

Group 3: Scent Hounds (14) (16)
Basset Hound
Beagle (13")
Beagle (15")
Black and Tan Coonhound
Bloodhound
Bluetick Coonhound - Miscellaneous 7/1/08
Dachshund (Longhaired)
Dachshund (Smooth)
Dachshund (Wirehaired)
English Foxhound
Foxhound (American)
Harrier
Otterhound
Petit Basset Griffon Vendeen
Plott
Redbone Coonhound - Miscellaneous 9/1/08

Group 4: Sight Hounds (11)
Afghan Hound
Basenji
Borzoi
Greyhound
Ibizan Hound
Irish Wolfhound
Italian Greyhound
Pharaoh Hound
Saluki
Scottish Deerhound
Whippet

Group 5: Working (23) (25)
Anatolian Shepherd
Bernese Mountain Dog
Black Russian Terrier
Boxer
Bullmastiff
Cane Corso - Miscellaneous 7/1/08
Dalmatian
Doberman Pinscher
Dogue de Bordeaux
German Pinscher
Giant Schnauzer
Great Dane
Great Pyrenees
Greater Swiss Mountain Dog
Komondor
Kuvasz
Leonberger - Miscellaneous 7/1/08
Mastiff
Neapolitan Mastiff
Newfoundland
Portuguese Water Dog
Rottweiler
Saint Bernard
Standard Schnauzer
Tibetan Mastiff

Group 6: Terriers (28) (29)
Airedale Terrier
Australian Terrier
American Staffordshire Terrier
Bedlington Terrier
Border Terrier
Bull Terrier (Colored)
Bull Terrier (White)
Cairn Terrier
Cesky Terrier - Miscellaneous 7/1/08
Dandie Dinmont Terrier
Fox Terrier (Smooth)
Fox Terrier (Wire)
Glen of Imaal Terrier
Irish Terrier
Kerry Blue Terrier
Lakeland Terrier
Manchester Terrier (Standard)
Miniature Bull Terrier
Miniature Schnauzer
Norfolk Terrier
Norwich Terrier
Person Russell Terrier
Scottish Terrier
Sealyham Terrier
Skye Terrier
Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier
Staffordshire Bull Terrier
Welsh Terrier
West Highland White Terrier

Group 7: Toys (21)
Affenpinscher
Brussells Griffon
Cavalier King Charles Spaniel
Chihuahua (Long Coat)
Chihuahua (Smooth Coat)
English Toy Spaniel (Blenheim & Prince Charles)
English Toy Spaniel (King Charles & Ruby)
Havanese
Japanese Chin
Maltese
Manchester Terrier (Toy)
Miniature Pinscher
Papillon
Pekingese
Pomeranian
Poodle (Toy)
Pug
Shih Tzu
Silky Terrier
Toy Fox Terrier
Yorkshire Terrier

Group 8: Companion (11)
Bichon Frise
Boston Terrier
Bulldog
Chinese Crested
French Bulldog
Lhasa Apso
Lowchen
Poodle (Miniature)
Poodle (Standard)
Tibetan Spaniel
Tibetan Terrier

Group 9: Herding (20) (21)
Australian Cattle Dog
Australian Shepherd
Bearded Collie
Beauceron
Belgian Malinois
Belgian Tervuren
Belgian Sheepdog
Border Collie
Bouvier des Flandres
Briard
Canaan Dog
Cardigan Welsh Corgi
Collie (Rough)
Collie (Smooth)
German Shepherd
Old English Sheepdog
Pembroke Welsh Corgi
Polish Lowland Sheepdog
Puli
Pyrenean Shepherd - Miscellaneous 1/1/07; Full Recognition 1/1/09
Shetland Sheepdog

Group 10: Northern (13) (16)
Akita
Alaskan Malamute
American Eskimo Dog
Chinese Shar-Pei
Chow Chow
Finnish Spitz
Icelandic Sheepdog - Miscellaneous 7/1/08
Keeshond
Norwegian Buhund - Miscellaneous 1/1/07; Full Recognition 1/1/09
Norwegian Lundehund - Miscellaneous 7/1/08
Norwegian Elkhound
Samoyed
Siberian Husky
Schipperke
Shiba Inu
Swedish Vallhund

[Elaine]

The AKC has been talking about doing this for years. I think it makes sense. I have no problem slitting Hounds and Non Sporting Groups, and giving the Spitz type breeds their own Group.

Sight and scent hounds have a lot of distinctions… and watching, say, a Wire Dachshund or a Bassett in front of the Afghan or the Whippet in the Hound Group never made a whole lot of sense to me.

As for Non Sporting, originally the AKC only had two groups, Sporting and Non-Sporting. Other groups were made from these original two… and Non Sporting ended up being a catch all of what was left over, and that didn’t make much sense. I can see the Dalamatian being put in the Working Group.


I guess the only thoughts I have are: that the title “Working Group” is a misnomer. Dogs in other Groups, like Herding, Northern, Sporting ets. are every bit “working” dogs. Other than that and the fact that Group judging will take a bit longer now… I think it’s all good.

[dobesign]

But, to WIN the group the odds in that ONE ring are 28:1. Compare that to the odds of winning 11:1 It seems that Best in Show should have TWO working dogs to even up the ratio.:rolleyes: And terriers and the others that tally a 2:1ratio over the groups like the Northern breeds. I don't actually care WHO they put in my group. But I DO have an issue with the numerical distribution. It's akin to the reason we love showing our dogs in a smaller class, even if it isn't the prestigious open class. We have better odds of winning that class and getting a second look in the next. Except in one class you would have one dog, but in YOUR class you would have 14. Tell me you wouldn't be kicking yourself when you first picked up your numbers??? :eek:(Although with dogs as lovely as Moose and Bah, I NEVER think that way!!!:p:cool:).

[Jan]

To my understanding, the akc is trying to line up the groups more in line with the FCI, the reasoning, to hold World shows here in the US. It isn't an overnight thing, I have no idea what would be deemed acceptable to the FCI, but the FCI has no working group. Is this a step, or the finished outcome, I do not know.
Are certain groups larger due to breaking them down later as a step to get all of us used to the new alignment, I have no clue. But I do know that the income expected to be generated by World shows is something that will not be ignored.

Jan

[Jan]

I do not know what will be acceptable for the FCI to hold a World show in the US, but here are the groups according to the FCI.

At all shows in which the CACIB of the FCI is awarded, the division into groups in accordance with the current FCI Breed Nomenclature is absolutely obligatory. In case this ruling would not be observed, the FCI reserves the right to hold back future authorisations to award the CACIB at international shows.

These groups are as follows:

Group 1 Sheepdogs and Cattle Dogs, except Swiss Cattle Dogs


Group 2 Pinschers and Schnauzers – Molossoid Breeds - Swiss Mountain and Cattle

Dogs

Group 3 Terriers

Group 4 Dachshunds

Group 5 Spitz and Primitive Types

Group 6 Scenthounds and Related Breeds

Group 7 Pointing Dogs

Group 8 Retrievers – Flushing Dogs – Water Dogs

Group 9 Companion and Toy Dogs

Group 10 Sighthounds