Alla McGeary ~ CONVICTED of a FELONY

[admin]

Well folks, truth and justice won out over the CyberDobes' gossip mill and the outrageous conduct of Alla McGeary and her merry gang.

Alla McGeary was convicted by unanimous vote of the jury and they imposed the maximum monetary fine allowed by law!!!

DSNN will be posting court transcripts and the conviction ASAP.

McNealy and Burke can spin this anyway they like, but a jury of 12 reasonable people heard the facts, they heard Alla’s defense, they heard Alla’s concoction that she gave Stella away to a total stranger who showed up on her porch, because Alla, in her divine wisdom, decided that this “total stranger” about whom she supposedly knew nothing at all, would be a better home for Stella than Dr. Kim Danoff. The jury’s decision was unanimous. Not one of these twelve people on the jury bought Alla’s line of bullshit; not one.

Apparently Burke showed up to testify at Alla’s trial. Supposedly he intended to testify in his capacity as the DPCA President, that an altered rescue Doberman has no value. I do not recall the Doberman Rescue that Burke runs, has run, or will run. I can not even begin to fathom why he'd want to involve the DPCA in this criminal prosecution (on the side of the person accused of stealing a dog), or what he fanaticized his expertise was in this area. We hear that the judge told Burke to go pound sand... to run along home, that his opinions were irrelevant to the case. I agree with the judge on that point, but Burke’s conduct is relevant to the DPCA. Burke is an embarrassment to the DPCA and blight on our organization. He needs to go... now!!! Any DPCA Board members who supported Burke's decision to testify need to resign now too.

I could be wrong, but seems to me that the Gopher who showed up at Alla’s door step sounds a lot like John Getter. And if I had to guess, I would guess that Steve Martin has been in possession of Stella. My understanding is that there is no statue of limitations on this crime. The prosecutors will go forward at any time to press for more felony convictions in this case.


Alla could have returned Stella at almost anytime, and she seems to not care much if she has a felony conviction… but others may not be so blasé about a felony conviction on their record. A felony conviction can be a bar to being bonded and/or insured, it is a bar to many professional organizations. There is no way the theft and brutal mutilation of Stella was ever worth the price Alla has paid... but it was her choice to commit this crime an her choice to not return Stella (though she may have been encouraged by a Ship of Fools from California, Louisiana and Texas).

I am glad the prosecutors pursued this case. The AKC and all reasonable people agree that we can not and should not allow rogue rescue workers to go around stealing dogs. Supporting Alla in her theft of Stella amounts to supporting the very conduct the AKC opposes in legislative agendas all over this country.


McNealy - Cyberdobes gossip and bullshit aside, it was always clear to anyone who looked at the evidence in this case that Alla’s bizarre fabrication was absolute bullshit. Seems that Cheri McNealy and Sam Burke were just about the only ones motivated to take up the Alla Bandwagon. In doing so they have dragged the DPCA into yet another morass-o-crap. I think it’s time that we took a good hard look at the wisdom and judgment of these two folks who seemed joined at the hip.. Collectively they have been a disaster for our breed and our club. I would like to see them both resign from the DPCA... immediately!

SO, where does all of this leave us?

Well, Alla is now a convicted felon, there are pending civil suits, Burke has involved the DPCA in defending a convict who stole a dog, Stella has been brutalized and tortured by Alla’s illegal conduct, Dr. Danoff has not / will never give up on trying to find Stella and reclaim her, McNealy is busy on CD, spinning this as best she can... and we hear that the McNealy / Getter / Burke gang are going to try to get Athy thrown out of the DPCA.... and the DPCA Board is sitting around saying, "Huh, what happened?"

We members of the DPCA have even more evidence that Cheri McNealy and Cyberdobes are running Burke and the DPCA. We have even more evidence that the DPCA leadership can not seem to indentify which side of an issue is the law abiding side. The DPCA tacitly allows illegal ear croppers, the DPCA sides with convicted felons…. we need totally new leadership folks.

[stellasmommy]

Well, Alla is not a convicted felon..i think elaine meant to say that she IS a convicted felon.

if you all are unhappy with the way this has all been handled...i say "do something about it". if you are unhappy with the DPCA...do something! make a formal complaint to the AKC. tell them all about it. tell them that the DPCA got involved in case that was being handled by the virginia court system. they had no reason to get involved. that the president was willing to come and testify (he did not have to-you cannot subpoena someone from out of state) in support of someone that could be convicted of a felony. well, she is now a convicted felon and the DPCA was in support of this woman all the way to the very end! sick. what type of organization is this?!
tell the AKC about it! i would be more than happy to forward you all of the AKC's email addresses. i have them all saved in my email contact list just waiting for the right time...well, the time is right.

you may think "is anything that i do really going to make a difference". well, yes it can. send emails out to any friends you have across the country with photos of before and after photos of stella. ask them to cross post. if you need info from me or a summarized version that is appropriate to send along, i can email that to you.

i think that alla mispronounced the word Gopher when she was up on the stand. i think they find this humorous. gopher...getter. they think this is all a joke. did you realize that john getter came into town to pick up a dog from dare named annabelle feb 2007. the same day he signed her adoption contract with wanda minnick, alla announced that she was not returning stella to dare. and that stella was sent out of state. interesting, the coincidence of it all. interesting that there is an RV in this photo and that John Getter has an RV!!! he lives in las vegas by the way.

and interesting that wanda was evading questions regarding annabelle's adoption. where was wanda at the trial when she came to several of the pre-trial hearings...does she no longer support her good friend, alla. i think not. she did not want to be called into that court room and be forced to share info about stella's whereabouts. she did not want to perjure herself. interesting though that alla's other friends had no problem perjuring themselves.

don't give up. we can do this. we can bring stella home. someone has to have seen her. inform them that she had a tattoo, but it is likely they have either removed it or altered it. but still worth looking. if they were willing to amputate her leg to hide her identity, who knows if they have cropped her ears and/or removed her tattoo. i would not put anything past these sick people.

kim

[admin]

http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/pp21/logresfarm/Fugitive5.jpg

If you recognize anything in this photo, the setting, the vehicles... the dog standing... please contact Dr. Kim Danoff.

[admin]

if you all are unhappy with the way this has all been handled...i say "do something about it". if you are unhappy with the DPCA...do something! make a formal complaint to the AKC.
kim

Kim, about contacting the AKC… I believe that is in the works. I am not 100% sure, but my understanding is that they need to see a formal copy of the final judgment. I believe that Alla’s conviction will result in her losing her AKC privileges for life, which should mean the DPCA will also suspend her.

You’ve got to ask who would have the extremely poor judgment to sponsor Alla McGeary to the DPCA during the pendency of this trial (as I recall that was McNealy and Getter, but I could be wrong). And why on earth would the DPCA Board vote to approve her membership before the outcome of this trial?

From what I see on CD, it seems to me that McNealy (and I would guess her good buddy Burke) want to substitute their opinions for the judgment of the jury. Doing so puts the DPCA on the wrong side of the law.

[Athy]

Current DAR&E board members (who were not witnesses in the case) were permitted to sit in the courtroom and took notes. I do not have the courtroom transcripts at this time.

Here are the notes taken with regards to Sam Burke's attempt to testify in criminal court in support of Alla McGeary:

<<Sam Burke

Basically an expert on Dobes, that Stella has no value
As president of the DPCA, guidelines used by rescues covered by the DPCA
That DAR&E had been sanctioned for two years
That DAR&E had not reapplied to the DPCA
That rescues done by DPCA do NOT have a fee. Thus DAR&E should not be out anything of value
.

It was all considered “after the fact” and not admissible as all actions to sanction DARE happened after Stella disappeared. He stated he knew nothing of Stella till a complaint had been received and reviewed and to this day does not know where Stella is.>>

Burke was in the courtroom for perhaps 10 minutes and left the area immediately after exiting the room.

Athy

[mjansel]

I'm just going to make a comment as someone who really has just sat back and watched this whole fiasco unfold. I'm not involved in DARE at all, and don't know any of the people involved. I am a volunteer in Doberman rescue and have been privy to what some of the people in rescue think about what DARE has done and not one person I have talked to has supported DARE's stance.

The whole thing is a crying shame - that anyone could be so ruthless as to want to ruin someones life because of doing what they thought was right for a dog. Stella is just a symbol - I truly have my doubts that any of you really give a rats ass about her....except maybe for Alla. Whether that is true or not, no one will ever really know. What people do know is that Alla is pretty much viewed as a hero and you are all the villians among the Doberman world. To me and to most people I have talked to, this whole thing appeared to be about power and control - really a sad and sick story from begininning to what I truly hope is the end.

I know that there is always 2 sides to every story, and I have read both of them and tried very hard to view them without prejudice. I've got to tell you that while DARE may well have won in the court room, they pretty much lost more than they ever won. Following up with civil suits is only going to make you look worse in the eyes of most of the Doberman Community. I really really think that letting it go would be a smarter move at this point. Yeah, you won, now let it go.

As always, this is my opinion.... formed over the past couple of years while just watching and reading. I think you might find that my opinion is pretty close to what the majority of the Doberman community thinks too. I know you have your supporters, but I have always spoken what I felt was true and fair.....without letting emotion get in the way. I have no personal agenda at all.

Mary Jo Ansel

[Athy]

Mary Jo, you've been sitting back and listening for two years? Interesting. Here's an excerpt of a post you sent to Cyberdobes on September 4, 2007. Looks like your mind was made up nearly two years ago.

<<Who is Pam Osborne? Stella stuff Message List

Message #80142 of 97182

**All posts are the property/opinion of the original authors.**

Tue Sep 4, 2007 10:03 pm



"Mary Jo Ansel" <mjansel@...>
velmadobe



I was just doing my rounds of the Doberman forums, and found that whole "looking for Stella - missing Doberman" post on Sheena's forum. It is not a very active forum so it surprised me to see it.

The name for the person who made the post was Pam Osborne - who is she? The name is familiar but I'm not sure why.

I of course replied to the post and said it was bullsh*t.

Anyone?

Mary Jo Ansel in SE PA



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You're entitled to your opinion, Mary Jo. Since your from SE PA, I can guess how you came to form it. But don't pretend that you really heard or tried to understand "both sides". You did not.

Athy

[Arthur]

All emotions aside, Alla is a convicted felon. It was not difficult to see that she would be convicted of a felony. Although the President of the DPCA supported this felon, it does not mean the rest of the doberman community supports felony activity. Although DPCA BODs commit felonies with each litter by facilitating illegal ear cropping does not mean the rest of the doberman community supports felony activity.

Does anyone actually know if the DPCA BOD voted to allow Burke to testify? Are my membership dues being used for Dr. Burke's travel to Virginia to support this felon?

The lunacy has to stop! It is time that the law abiding citizens of the DPCA prevail.

[admin]

I'm just going to make a comment as someone who really has just sat back and watched this whole fiasco unfold. I'm not involved in DARE at all, and don't know any of the people involved. I am a volunteer in Doberman rescue and have been privy to what some of the people in rescue think about what DARE has done and not one person I have talked to has supported DARE's stance.

The whole thing is a crying shame - that anyone could be so ruthless as to want to ruin someones life because of doing what they thought was right for a dog. Stella is just a symbol - I truly have my doubts that any of you really give a rats ass about her....except maybe for Alla. Whether that is true or not, no one will ever really know. What people do know is that Alla is pretty much viewed as a hero and you are all the villians among the Doberman world. To me and to most people I have talked to, this whole thing appeared to be about power and control - really a sad and sick story from begininning to what I truly hope is the end.

I know that there is always 2 sides to every story, and I have read both of them and tried very hard to view them without prejudice. I've got to tell you that while DARE may well have won in the court room, they pretty much lost more than they ever won. Following up with civil suits is only going to make you look worse in the eyes of most of the Doberman Community. I really really think that letting it go would be a smarter move at this point. Yeah, you won, now let it go.

As always, this is my opinion.... formed over the past couple of years while just watching and reading. I think you might find that my opinion is pretty close to what the majority of the Doberman community thinks too. I know you have your supporters, but I have always spoken what I felt was true and fair.....without letting emotion get in the way. I have no personal agenda at all.

Mary Jo Ansel

Sorry, I just spit my drink across the key board, You think Alla gave a "rat's ass" about Stella? Wow! You think Alla was a hero!!! EEEK!!! IS Bernie Madoff a hero for you too?

I haven't a clue what circles you travel in, but I can't say I connect to your sense of right and wrong. Your version of what happened reflects the best p.r. spin any criminal has ever been able to sell to a naïve and ill informed public.

After reading what you’ve written, I can’t help but think that you are completely ignorant of the facts. Did you bother to read any of the threads here, with photos that show that without any question Kim loved Stella, was devoted to her (and vice-versa) and that this has always been about what is the right thing to do, both for Stella and for all dogs owners.

This trial was about following the rule of law, not CD gossip or Ring-side gossip... the rule of law. The overarching principle here is that we are a society governed by the rule of law and we can not allow people like Alla to commit illegal acts and get away with them just because some internet chat group thinks she’s a nice old lady. Alla is a convicted felon, not because the jury was being spiteful, but because Alla broke the law. We should all be thrilled that the prosecutor and the jury looked past the lies Alla and her followers told, saw the truth and voted to convict. Alla’s conviction is a victory for those of us who love and value our dogs and want to keep them safe.


There may be two sides to every story... both sides were told in court over these past months, including at trial. Alla has been well represented in court every step of the way, she had a chance to tell her side of the story... and all 12 of the jurors said, "We don't believe you Alla, we find you guilty!!!"


The heroes here are people like Athy and Dr. Danoff, who obeyed the law[s], followed the rules... and then waited patiently for justice. They have endured this all with incredible grace and dignity. Alla is a criminal... to use your phrase, she was ruthless... she had 1001 chances to do the right thing, and didn't. I am a member of the Doberman Community. The people I know and respect in the Doberman community do not consider Alla McGeary a hero; far from it. We consider her exactly what she is, a convicted felon who stole a dog and refused to return it.

[mjansel]

I'm not surprised at the venom my post generated, I sure didn't expect anything less from any of you.

You might be surprised at the circles I travel in, but of course are only interested in your own narrow interpretation of the law. The rest of us have no problems supporting a "convicted felon" like Alla. I and most of the rest of the Doberman community think that what was done to her was a travesty......... and yeah, I really do sit, read and watch. There are others in the Doberman community who will tell you that I don't care a fig for what others think - I speak my own mind and my own convictions.

Just my opinion - but I thought it was worth the post. You all can think what you want. And just because I am from SE PA only means that I am fairly close mile wise....which means I also know more people closer to both sides of the argument.

You all can continue to live in your fantasy world where everything is black or white, I guess I just thought you "might" be interested in knowing what the general Doberman community thinks out there............. guess I was wrong.

[Elaine]

I'm not surprised at the venom my post generated, I sure didn't expect anything less from any of you.

You might be surprised at the circles I travel in, but of course are only interested in your own narrow interpretation of the law. The rest of us have no problems supporting a "convicted felon" like Alla. I and most of the rest of the Doberman community think that what was done to her was a travesty......... and yeah, I really do sit, read and watch. There are others in the Doberman community who will tell you that I don't care a fig for what others think - I speak my own mind and my own convictions.

Just my opinion - but I thought it was worth the post. You all can think what you want. And just because I am from SE PA only means that I am fairly close mile wise....which means I also know more people closer to both sides of the argument.

You all can continue to live in your fantasy world where everything is black or white, I guess I just thought you "might" be interested in knowing what the general Doberman community thinks out there............. guess I was wrong.

Don’t you think "venom” is a bit strong? Anyone who stands up like you just did and says, “I stand with the convicted felon” should expect to get a vigorous response. Personally, I think your position is indefensible. You openly support a convicted felon… who stole a dog… and bizarrely you claim that you represent the Doberman Community. Sorry, but I think you represent a group of ill-informed people who have lost track of right and wrong. The precedent you want to set is that it is okay to steal a dog if the gossips say it’s okay to do so. I don't agree with you and I thank god in heaven the judge and jury didn't agree with you either.

Hope the mainstream press doesn’t get wind of your view that the Doberman Community supports stealing dogs… or Burke's opinion that rescue Dobermans have no value.

[stellasmommy]

I'm not surprised at the venom my post generated, I sure didn't expect anything less from any of you.

You might be surprised at the circles I travel in, but of course are only interested in your own narrow interpretation of the law. The rest of us have no problems supporting a "convicted felon" like Alla. I and most of the rest of the Doberman community think that what was done to her was a travesty......... and yeah, I really do sit, read and watch. There are others in the Doberman community who will tell you that I don't care a fig for what others think - I speak my own mind and my own convictions.

Just my opinion - but I thought it was worth the post. You all can think what you want. And just because I am from SE PA only means that I am fairly close mile wise....which means I also know more people closer to both sides of the argument.

You all can continue to live in your fantasy world where everything is black or white, I guess I just thought you "might" be interested in knowing what the general Doberman community thinks out there............. guess I was wrong.

I am astounded. You say alla cared. what about me?! she came to work with me 5 days per week. stayed in my office next to my desk all day. ate natural and organic foods. went to movie nights at friends houses. went out to the country to tour many vineyards and play with their vineyard dogs, including a doberman at oasis vineyard. went on several doggie vacations to west virginia, niagara falls, ontario, etc. many of my friends are professionals-veterinarians and attorneys, many of which are very active in the animal welfare/advocacy community both locally and nationally. stella was around many animal welfare attorney friends of mine, a veterinarian on the board of directors for an animal shelter, etc etc. stella was not hidden. she was amongst clients all day long. many of which are professionals as well. all met her, loved her, and even made fun of me b/c they had never seen a more spoiled pooch. not once did anyone ever mention to me that they thought stella was too thin, which is alla's claim to fame. and believe me, my friends are some of the most hard core animal people you would ever in your life come across. and if they were not happy with the way i treated a pet, they would surely tell me about it. or report me for that matter. b/c they would never have tolerated it. they care far too much for the lives of animals. and regardless, there are some animals that are challenging to put weight on. she ate a TON of food. i can promise you that. she was a young growing doberman with a high metabolism. we have all had human friends that are so skinny their bones show. growing up i had a few of them and all the boys made fun of them. they ate and ate and ate and their ribs all showed. my best friend was called boney maroney growing up. then later in life we all became jealous as we struggled with our weight, she was finally the perfect weight. well stella was not underfed like the defense would say she was. she was lean. and towards the end of 2006 i did notice she could benefit from a few extra pounds and was gradually increasing her food intake. we were managing her weight. certainly not a reason to steal her from the family she loved and loved her. ironically ms barbara johnson that would like for you to believe that stella was unhappy and unloved and uncared for, wrote me an email stating how much stella loved me and i loved her. she is the one that wrote the home visit report. i could certainly forward you her email if you wish? these women lie! i love stella. i would never put my livelihood at risk for anything, except for someone i love. i wanted to become a vet since i was 5 years old when my scottie was euthanized due to mammary cancer. my entire life has been geared towards being a vet. it is not a profession. it is a passion. a passion i live 24 hours of every day, 365 days a year. i wake up and care for rescues and wildlife, i go to work and do it again, and come home and do it for several more hours. i love animals. i would not hurt a person or an animal. you really have the story all wrong. i don't have a vendetta against these people. i don't even know these people. i had never met alla. or getter or cheri, or steve martin. i simply want the sweet, needy, precious little stella back that i fell in love with in april of 2006. i fell in love-that is exactly why i am doing this. nothing more. i would rather spend money on rescues or a good bottle of wine, than on attorneys. but instead i am spending it in an effort to be reuinited with a little angel of a dog that i wanted to share my life with. perhaps you should re-evaluate things. had i really done something terrible to stella, alla would have taken her to the vet immediately after getting her, and not 3 weeks later, alla would have reported me for animal abuse which she never did b/c she knew there would be nothing to report. and interesting that the first day alla got stella, she sends out an email, which i would be more than happy to share as well, stating how pretty stella was. underfed, neglected and abused animals are not described as pretty. in addition, that same email did not even remotely suggest that i did anything wrong to stella. these claims to fame were made once alla was asked to return stella. then she had to have a reason not to return stella, and me not feeding stella was her reason. end of story.

alla got what she deserved. well, maybe not. she deserved to rot in jail. but i will take a felony conviction and a fine for now. as that conviction will forever change her life.
kim

[Elaine]

Kim, I am sorry that you have to read through some it this stuff. It must be painful for you.

Whether we’ve formally studied psychology or not, most all of us intuitively understand one of its fundamental truths: opinions once formed are difficult to change. Mary Jo made up her mind about poor little Alla years ago. Without ever hearing Kim Danoff’s side of the story, and without ever seeing the evidence (like the photos here on DSNN), Mary Joe bought into an appealing line of gossip and baloney about Alla and this situation. Mary Joe believes what she’s read on CD. No set of facts and clearly no jury decision are ever going to change Mary Jo’s mind.

This all speaks to the destructive power of gossip… and to our duty to confront it and stand up for what is right.

[doberdogsfd]

Although I truly believe everyone is entitled to an opinion whether they are correct in their assertions or not, some things in the dog world just make you go HUM? Neither Cheryl nor I know Alla or Dr. Danoff. We have read all the posts here and on some other forums. With what I do for living I know this there are 3 sides to a story. What each person involved has to say and then right down the middle is the "ABSOLUTE" truth. With this case it seems that Dr. Danoff was guilty in the minds of many before any of the facts came out because Alla's team did a great propaganda job and got some of the loud mouth folks involved early. Mary Jo is entitled to her opinion and I guess if she wants to support a felon and call her a hero that is up to her and her value system to decide. I do take exception to the fact that her posts lump everyone on this forum into one stereotypical mindless band of idiots falling for some lie. Oh and we are all villains....hum...I may be in some folks eyes but I highly doubt that thinking it is wrong to steal makes any of us villains. It might make us all law abiding citizens...not villains. Having had a three legged dog, one withered from a hit by that the owner we rescued her from never bothered to take care of properly, I can tell you that L.E. would have been worse off without the leg. I also think if you are going to post something inflammatory you should be able to take the heat that is generated and not post again saying see I know all of you would be like this. If you knew why post? Spirited debate is what this forum is all about. There are some great ones and some that go awry. We do not all agree hell rarely do we all agree, that is what makes life fun.

I will say though that I find this to be indicative of the dog world in general. Many folks form opinions about others without all the facts and get involved in things that they really should not. Then they run around saying things about people and really have no idea what they are talking about. In the end they look silly and delusional because what they were saying is untrue and when the truth comes out they are ones lose. My opinion is you should know what you are talking about or not talk as it may come back to bite you in the ass.

The law is really not up for debate, you cannot take something that belongs to someone else or there will be consequences. Thank goodness for this or I would be out of job. Alla found that out and could not prove her case when it came time for facts versus conjecture the end. If what she did was right and the dog was truly in danger there are legal means to fix that or that would have come out in the trial and Alla would have been exonerated. I know this, anyone that stole my dog would not have gotten off so easy, hell we probably would have had to have a fund raiser for my bail money, but then as my good friend Ron says....Bob isn't like other folks in the dog world.

I also am not sure it is correct or safe to say that "most of the Doberman fancy or dog community" support Alla. I do not run in all the cool circles but this issue is not part of the common dialog I have been around nor have I found anyone that thinks stealing is o.k. The dialog is on the forums and most is generated by Alla supporters. I also wonder why DARE or Danoff should stop, if Alla is a hero and is correct and has all this wonderful support then she should walk among giants and fear none knowing that she will in the end prevail and that God has a special place for her. Or maybe she wants it to stop as do her supporters because she is on the losing side of this. I really don't know, but insulting the membership of this forum in its entirety is off base.

Bob
~Blackwood~

[Lou's mom]

...as someone who really has just sat back and watched this whole fiasco unfold. I'm not involved in DARE at all, and don't know any of the people involved. I am a volunteer in Doberman rescue...

Same here, what's your point in stating this?



What people do know is that Alla is pretty much viewed as a hero and you are all the villians among the Doberman world.

Define "Doberman world"? To whom would a convicted felon be a hero, other than other lawbreakers?


To me and to most people I have talked to, this whole thing appeared to be about power and control - really a sad and sick story from begininning to what I truly hope is the end.

Funny, that's what I think as well. My co-workers, who are not involved in AKC anything, concur.

...
I know that there is always 2 sides to every story, and I have read both of them and tried very hard to view them without prejudice.

Really? Then why post such inflammatory statements?

...I've got to tell you that while DARE may well have won in the court room, they pretty much lost more than they ever won. Following up with civil suits is only going to make you look worse in the eyes of most of the Doberman Community. I really really think that letting it go would be a smarter move at this point. Yeah, you won, now let it go.

Nobody won here: not DAR&E, not Stella, not Dr. Danoff, not Alla, not DPCA, and certainly not the Doberman Pinscher fancy in the eyes of the judge & jury.

Funny what comes up when I google "Mary Jo Ansel" - DPCA WAC testing form for September, with address & phone # listed. http://www.qcdpc.com/wae.htm

[Lou's mom]

I'm not surprised at the venom my post generated, I sure didn't expect anything less from any of you.

You don't even know me, how can you have expectations?

...are only interested in your own narrow interpretation of the law. The rest of us have no problems supporting a "convicted felon" like Alla. I and most of the rest of the Doberman community think that what was done to her was a travesty...

Travesty is defined as "a comedy characterized by broad satire and improbable situations", per wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn. I see nothing funny in Dr Danoff's struggle to be reconnected to Stella, although this entire situation is indeed improbable.

And just because I am from SE PA only means that I am fairly close mile wise....which means I also know more people closer to both sides of the argument. Which has bearing on this how? Since when is geographic location a criteria for being part of a community that has a virtual component?

My previous post shows a link which reveals your address as 206 Keely Lane, Schwenksville, PA 19473, phone # (610)287-3632, E-mail mjansel@comcast.net. [posted in case you alter the WAC form] I'm throwing this up here in case anyone would like to chat with you off-line.

Additionally, your Facebook page is www.facebook.com/people/Mary-Jo-Ansel/1352588551. Doesn't mean anything to me, but someone might care.

You all can continue to live in your fantasy world where everything is black or white, I guess I just thought you "might" be interested in knowing what the general Doberman community thinks out there.

Again with the generalizations. Any 'Doberman community' that condones theft, practicing surgery without a license, and animal cruelty, is, by definition, a community which I choose to have no part of, and not just for moral reasons.

I choose to participate in a community which is striving to work towards not only breeding towards the standard (rather than changing it to match what is being bred), and also towards canine competition which exemplifies the meaning of "sportsmanship" rather than operating on the principles of bribery, misconduct, and explicit rule-breaking.

:italian.gesticulation.involving.thumbnail.and.tee th:

[dobesign]

Mjansel...For someone who does not mind what others say, I find it odd that all of your arguments are strictly aligned with the opinions of a perceived majority. As for me, it is not my opinion nor yours that bears any significance, despite how highly we might regard ourselves. The only opinion that mattered...yes, past tense...happens to be a JUDGE, not a blogger who chooses to incite riot. If you do not prefer to engage in the opinions of those on this site, then perhaps it is better to find a place where your opinions are more in line with those you do compare yourself to, oh, and that right was ALSO one that the judges reviewed...and passed judgement on "freedom of speech" and belief is for all of us. - have not engaged in this controversy up until now. But the absurd rantings suggesting the courts and public are morons just offended me to the core. I am a member of this forum, and your 'you have no idea which circles I run in' is arrogant, ignorant and rude. If I cared which circles you ran in, I too would learn to chase my own tail. I have no need. As for being constructive, how about calling the microchip registry and having "dog has been stolen REWARD" in the medical info line. Contrary to the belief of the "illusive doberman majority" people in medicine have a code of ethics.....this just made me really really mad!!! Oh, and Lou's Mom, I am sooooo with you! Being fluent in now THREE forms of sign language (Asl, see, and lsq) let me add the universal one to your very apropos gesture. This one involves an almost universally inappropriate elevation of the middle finger, which in Britain means "little brother growing up". I wish to extend the gesture to the "doberman majority to which mjansel alludes if the opinion truly IS theirs.

[mjansel]

I never hid who I was, I signed my first post on this subject. I know exactly what you find when you google my name. I'm on several Doberman forums, have a face book account, am a board member of another Doberman club, do a little bit of rescue work for my local Dobe rescue, belong to the DPCA, show in Conformation and occasionally obedience and rally. I've bred exactly one litter in my 16+ years in this breed and just finished my first home bred champion. I have school aged children, and I work part time in a school. I've got two bachelors degrees, pay a big mortgage, vote, have been married for almost 18 years to a good man............. not sure if I missed anything............ I've never hid who or what I was. Oh, and I helped one of the posters on this thread whelp their litter. I didn't mean to paint everyone with the same brush and apologize for that........I've just never seen anyone on this forum ever take a different stance on the Alla stuff. I guess I am the first and now I can see why no one else ever stood up and disagreed - ha ha!

Nothing posted on CD ever made up my mind for me - I've read both sides of the story all along. There was never a doubt in my mind that Alla was indeed guilty of stealing a dog and if I had sat on that jury I probably would have found her guilty because as a juror, you have to follow the letter of the law no matter what your heart may think.

However, being found guilty is one thing - actually going through with charging her with the intent to ruin her life is a whole nuther dealie. It is that intent to ruin someone else's life that I really don't understand and will never understand. If she had murdered someone, or done some other horrible crime, I'd say throw the book at her. What she did was what she apparently truly believed was the right thing. If it had been done to me or the rescue I work with, we would have thrown her out of the rescue and shunned her .... maybe even gossiped and talked bad about her for the next 20 years..... what I would not have done .... or what anyone else I think I know well would have done was to set out to ruin her life.

It makes me sad that there are people who will do that to another human being. I won't ever understand it. I'm done with this thread and will not respond to it again. Anyone who would like to discuss it privately, can use the info posted by someone to contact me.

Mary Jo Ansel

[katdobemom]

Mary Jo
I have to think you would absolutely be singing a different tune had this woman (or anyone for that matter ) stolen one of YOUR dogs.
How would you feel then?
Would you simply just "talk about her" ? Or because she stole something personal from you, would you, as DAR&E did seek justice legally?
It certainly changes the song when you "personalize" things, dont it?
DAR&E didnt seek out to ruin anyone's life. Alla chose this for herself and so in fairness. She gets what she gets...........like it or not. She made these decisions that no doubt will affect the rest of her life, and you know what ?
Tough! She was given multiple opportunities to return this dog and chose not to. She wanted to be the martyr and so with being that "martyr" she must accept ALL that comes with it.
So you are saying at this point any one who feels you may not measure up to their expectations in the way you keep your dogs, are pretty much free to come and take one, and you will sit back and do nothing?
I have to think you won;t respond to any more of this(as you state) because on THIS list you may get some push back. On Cyberdobes, its all the same ole song with the exception of probably Bruce Rogers.
Its easy to have an opinion when it meshes with everyone else on a list but the minute you get push back, you are choosing to not respond.
Whatever....................

[Athy]

Well, Mary Jo, that's where you and I differ. I think people should be held accountable for their actions. And as we're seeing right now on Cyberdobes, the aggressive actions continue. I haven't posted on Cyberdobes for more years than I can remember - and yet I'm one of the most popular subjects for discussion on that list. And it's always hyperbole: I'm a "money grubbing whore", I'm "in bed with prosecutor", I'm "revenge seeking", I'm a "pustule", you name it. That's okay by you how, Mary Jo? Do you know me? You know anything about me? You know what you've been fed. And that's a lot of horseshit, most of it shovelled by others who don't know me and have never even spoken to me.

When does it stop, Mary Jo? You know by now that Alla's lawyer sent the first legal volley on February 28, 2007. This was in response to our attempt to send Alla a certified letter requesting that she return the dog or we'd start replevin procedures. She refused to pick up the letter and instead had her lawyer send us a nastygram. In that letter, her lawyer told us that she'd already filed a complaint against with the DPCA rescue committee. He also told us that Alla had dumped Stella into the "underground railroad" - that Stella was gone forever. Around the time she apparently filed the complaint with the DPCA, she took everything public on Cyberdobes. And it truly went downhill from there.

Should we not have defended ourselves, our reputations? I just don't understand what you would have people do, Mary Jo. Alla McGeary took this public when she went to Cyberdobes. She raised the ante when her lawyer wrote us and threatened us with the "grievance" complaint. We have tried very hard to keep this private and the compromises we offered were MANY - including a neutral arbitration. Every offer was rejected - including an offer to permit her to visit Stella as she wished. We wanted a scenario where we could ALL see and touch Stella - something that NONE OF US can do today.

And you think we should have just talked amongst ourselves about it. Shunned her. While all the time, she and Getter and Martin and Minnick and McNealy were busy working to tear down the rescue group, to destroy me personally. Sending complaints about DAR&E. Working their asses off to file a personal grievance against me. All to force me out of the DPCA and to put DAR&E out of business. I don't think talking about it amongst ourselves and/or shunning McGeary were the answers here, Mary Jo.

Athy

[doberdogsfd]

I will take Mary Jo up on her offer to contact her privately.....she and I know each other and are local.

BUT......I must address in a post the accusation that we are all lemmings and just kind of go with whatever the majority is saying becuase we are afraid to voice a differing opinion. OH, GIVE ME AN F'ING BREAK!!
This is the most opinionated, scrappy and FUN forum there is!!

Obviously Bob and I are afraid to voice our opinions....LOL!
I believe Mary Jo has a fair clue at what Bob and I have just fought and won. Clearly, we aren't afraid to stand up to ANYONE.

I believe the rest of you are pretty much the same and the reason I like this forum.
Mary Jo made a statement to me that she says nothing about anyone regardless of what she really feels and always tries to get along with everyone. To me there is something a tad unsettling about that. I would prefer you tell me to go piss off and you hate me then have no opinion and be vanilla all the time. EEEKKK!

So, was this the Mary Jo I know who won't say anything or is this someone that had her post for them? Hmmmm.....


~ Strength and Honor~
Cheryl

[dobesign]

I am not into witch hunt, myself. I do not believe in harming people for the sake of making myself feel or look better. But in that same belief, I do not do things that would cause others to be harmed, or things that could harm me or the dogs I so dearly love. As for this case, I did not see a reason to get up on a soapbox and drivel on about justice needing to be served...it seemed as though the courts would do that without my input. Alla should have weighed the consequences, both pro and con, before taking a course of action that would so seriously impact not only her life, but Stella's and Kim, and Athy and everyone so emotionally attached to this. If she did contemplate it, then she knew what she was doing, and chose this path. If she did not, then perhaps she thought she would be exempt from the laws of polite society. Yes, we all have differences of opinion. Here we are always at liberty to express them without fear of censure. I don't appreciate the name calling or labels applied regarding our forum members, but do appreciate that we are adults, in a public venue. If we cannot "be civil. Be kind." Then perhaps we should consider why. What has happened to all affected in this case is wrong on many levels. It makes our souls weep. I choose to engage or not engage, that alone is in my control. I know if it was my dog stolen, I would feel much the same way. I also realise that people do not think the way I do. I do not feel sorry for Alla. I feel sorry that I could not maintain a considerate tone when I felt attacked by someone I do not know. I ask for your forgiveness for that, but not for holding my opinion that justice has been done.

[doberdogsfd]

I agree with MaryJo that is shameful to try and purposely hurt someone for no good reason. I also agree that Alla believed she was doing the right thing when she took Stella, although I think Alla was to wrapped in emotion to be thinking clearly.

With that said let's not forget the terrible things posted on line about Dr. Danoff and how that hurt Dr. Danoff's practice and cost her money. To me that is a tragedy.

To me there is no real winner or loser here there is only a lot of pain and suffering on all sides, but as I said in another post that is what happens when good sense goes out the window and we are no longer rational. There had to be a better way!

I do applaud MaryJo for having the brass to jump on this forum and express her views and for starting a spirited debate. That took guts. Since Cheryl and I know MaryJo and know her to be a very kind person, hell she went out on a snowy night in January to help whelp our litter and did not leave until 4 or 5 am, that is saying something. This is one of those topics that is like talking about religion, a lot of strong feeling on both sides and probably no way of gaining anything but more debate.

I think MaryJo should post more on DSNN because she fits right in with the strong minded crowd here. Especially now that she is not including all of us in one basket:D

Personally I think it has been too quiet on DSNN and there have not been any good get the juices flowing threads for awhile so this livened things up quite a bit.

Bob
~Blackwood~

[Elaine]

I agree with Bob, Mary Jo is welcome here, as are her opinions, but I am not about to allow Mary Jo to become some sort of martyr here. Mary Jo has the right to express her opinions, and we have the right to say that her opinions on this matter are outrageously wrong.

Not meaning to beat this to death, but where I differ with Mary Jo is this: her assumptions about the motives of others are inaccurate, arrogant and defamatory. Mary Jo has asserted repeatedly that she looked at all the fact before coming to some decision. Really? When did she do that and how? The truth is Mary Jo looked at Alla's much publicized version of what happened (which was all over the internet), and then she looked at Alla’s and Cheri McNealy's bizarre and inflammatory version of Kim’s and Athy's side of this, and she now claims that she formed an impartial opinion of events. Sorry, I don’t buy that for one single minute. Mary Jo bought McNealy’s and Cyberdobes version of this… which we all now know was not credible. The 12 members of the jury listened to Alla’s side and said loud and clear, “We do not believe you!”

Up until very recently Athy and Kim never went public with their side of this, and by the time they did, people like Mary Jo had made up their minds.

Like all of the CD crowd, Mary Jo formed an opinion that Alla was some innocent well-intended old woman, without ever speaking with Dr. Danoff or hearing Danoff’s side of things. I don’t buy that Alla was well intentioned… not for one moment.

Alla’s own vet told her that Stella was in good shape. Early on Alla repeatedly said she was going to return Stella… then, after getting fired up by others, Alla reversed herself and decided to actively participate in the theft of Stella. That is not well intentioned or admirable folks. That is theft, plain and simple!!! Alla is not the victim of anyone but herself and her illegal conduct. We should not allow Mary Jo or any P.R. spin to make Alla the victim here... Kim and Stella are the victims... and to a degree, so is Athy.

I have no intention of buying into a criminal’s claim that says, “Hey, feel sorry for me because prosecuting me for my criminal actively will ruin my life.”

Alla could have stopped this criminal prosecution at any point. She chose not to. I am outraged at the arrogant and false assertions that Kim’s and Athy’s motives here were wrong. Categorically, Mary Jo and people like her are very misguided… they are blaming the victim of a crime.

Kim and Athy abided by the rule of law… which is what civilized people in a democratic society do. Alla is now a convicted felon because of the choices she made. I have no sympathy for her what-so-ever. Her conduct – which ultimately led to stealing a dog and then mutilating it - are a threat to law abiding dog owners. If the jury had allowed Alla to get away with her willful conduct, then the next misguided maniac could say, “Hey, it’s okay for me to steal your dog, once have I done so you will never get it back and people will start to see m as the victim. Alla is not the victim, she is the felon. Even now she could help see that Stella is returned. But she won’t because it has never sunk in that was she did is wrong. And people like Mary Jo are right there supporting Alla.

[katdobemom]

http://www.winchesterstar.com/showarticle_new.php?sID=6&foldername=20090508&file=Canine_article.html

[Reni Margar]

Since I don't understand these posts here, because I only know what a read on Cyberdobes, can I ask this question, what did Alla do wrong? I thought she had permission to take Stella. I think this post prepared by Alla should be here for all to read. Maybe you will agree with me. I'd really like it if at least someone agreed with me.
I was going to say my own views, but I don't have any original thoughts, and so here is this. It trumps anything I have to say.
I don't understand being asked to help Alla out, it makes no sense, but then, neither do I.
Seems there is some moral corruption going on here and I'm referring to Alla.
Though, even weavils should have a forum...free speech and all. So, thank you Elaine for starting this DSNN so we can all be aware.
Reni

So here it is.... From the lips of Alla...

I want all of you to know certain things that occurred before the trial. You may think that I am an idiot for not jumping at the chance to end things in any way possible. A lot of people would. I told my attorney that I would most likely lose but I would not pay off/apologize for saving a dog from someone who knew the proper treatment of an animal (per her website). Someone that has stated in writing that this is revenge. Or to someone who stated to the other members of the BoD (before Stella was removed) "We really screwed this dog".

The Asst DA had made 4 offers of settlement. March 24th he offered to drop charges, expunge the record, etc. if I wrote a check to DAR&E and offered an apology. The amount was undisclosed because my attorney stated that he was able to bring him down to $10,000 which the prosecutor thought he could get DAR&E to accept but that Danoff probably would not. My attorney told him the apology was definitely OUT.

March 6th the prosecutor came back with an offer that included the $10,000 pay off, expunge record, no gag order, no apology and the check would be written to Frederick County and this way I would not be paying DAR&E (GEE, I I believe most people know that it is customary to do just that because they play middle man). He stated that he did not need anyone's permission to make the offer and the decision was entirely his. They got the same answer. I gave a counter offer and it was refused by the DA. Oh, it seems the offer made was NOT approved by the DA....it was a carrot, AGAIN.

The final offers came the week before the trial, approved by the DA so they were as close to the real offer they would accept as possible. No more carrots to get me to agree.

The DA wanted restitution in the amount of $10,000. He would forego the formal apology but wanted a vague written statement stating that if I had to do it again, it would be done differently. Record expunged. This time no one could file a civil lawsuit. Now there was a gag order.

I refused all offers.

The letter below was intended for the lists plus supporters that are not on those lists. My attorney did not want it to go out before the trial.

I have copies of letters sent to the DA's office from an ex-employee accusing Danoff of animal abuse. A letter from Danoff stating exactly how the DA is to handle this case and stating that this is revenge and telling them that they are to promise anything just to get the dog back but no promises are to be kept. There are letters accusing all kinds of unrelated people that don't know, or barely know, each other of conspiring to take the dog away from Danoff and lying to Athy.

I am also in possession of e-mails from Athy to the DAR&E BoD agreeing to Stella's removal due to her treatment NOT because she thought Danoff did not want her.

The DA's office brought the current charges against me over a year ago BUT realized 2 months ago that those charges also had to prove criminal intent. Interesting, isn't it? They took approx. 8 months to dig up a charge against me that was as severe as possible and didn't realize that they also needed to prove criminal intent.

I can't bring myself to admit wrong by paying them $10,000 and giving some vague apology. Maybe I am wrong. Maybe I'm playing the martyr without realizing it but everyone I mention it to is shocked at what they want (this includes DAs, law enforcement personnel and attorneys). I don't understand how a felony can be settled by the DA like the civil case that it is supposedly is not. Why was VA tax payers monies used to fund a felony prosecution that they hoped I would settle out of court like a civil case?

The letter I wanted to send:

Hello everyone,

The trial will begin in two and a half weeks (May 4th and 5th) and I wanted to finally personally write to the people on these lists and supporters not on the lists. I cannot go into detail on a lot of the points I will make but, rest assured, as always they are all backed up with solid proof that you will be able to see later (one way or another).

The DA's office has made two overtures to 'settle' and drop everything. The first overture was for me to pay some figure over $10,000 to DAR&E (my attorney would not say what the original figure was after I told him my answer). They were given an answer and then a week and a half later came the second overture to 'settle'. In the second overture I was to write a check for $10,000 to Frederick County and therefore would not be paying DAR&E, Uh Huh. They did not say where that check was going especially since I was told after the first overture that it could not go to the Commonwealth. Otherwise the trial would go on. So, why is DAR&E/Athy/Danoff being given $10,000? What have they lost? The tax payers of VA are footing their bill for 'revenge' (that's a quote from Kim Danoff in writing).

My attorney made a counter offer of accepting all their terms EXCEPT that I write the check to SND, DPCA or as a third alternative if they insisted on something for the county, the Esther Boyd Shelter. They were supposed to give an answer no later than Friday, April 10th. Haven't heard a peep so as far as I am concerned they are not interested and the trial goes on.

Stella was removed from the SPCA with no cost to DAR&E. Stella's adoption papers were signed with all adoption fees waived. Stella was, using the sympathy factor, a 'cash cow' for DAR&E as she did not need medical help other than a brace that was purchased on the recommendation of Kim Danoff, paid by SND and never used after a couple of times, nor was DAR&E told about it for over 9 months. DAR&E continued to solicit funds for Stella both on their site and on SND until they pulled their own solicitation after Stella was removed and the current fiasco started. SND, after numerous inquiries, finally got copies of vet bills and recovered all monies (other than the $400 for the brace) from DAR&E. When submitted, the bills included kenneling fees for a couple of days while Stella was in Buckeystown waiting for transport to K. Danoff after coming from the SPCA and the surgery that was performed without DAR&E's knowledge. Both the kenneling and the surgery costs were disallowed by SND since they were not part of the assistance that SND had agreed to provide.

Athy has rewritten her story to the point that it is almost unrecognizable. Yes, the BoD of DAR&E made the determination to remove Stella (but it was not because they thought that K. Danoff did not want her. I have that in writing) and Athy made some 'interesting' statements about her feelings for removal and the dog's treatment at that time that do not coincide with what she is saying now. Athy has busily sent her lists of conspirators and probable people who may know where Stella is currently (plus posts from CyberDobes) to the DA's office.

Kim Danoff has cried on the lists and to the DA's office about how we tarnished her reputation when she has done all the damage to herself. If she had not released her 'stories' about what happened but stuck with the facts, we would not have released her e-mails and shown that she was NOT being truthful. She has come up with some very inventive 'conspiracy' theories and stated her 'orders' (IN WRITING) to the DA about what is to happen to me whether Stella is returned or not and that this is now "revenge".

Kim Danoff has been accused of some very unpleasant things by both ex-clients and ex-employees and I and others personally know of some of the threats made to shut them up.

Among other things, Athy had said from the first that I would not be able to continue this fight financially (as has the DA's office). I won't repeat what I have heard third person but I (and one of my attorneys) have personally heard comments made by members of the Sheriff's Dept in reference to this case. The latest on March 6th was in the Commonwealth offices in front of other people about the fact that it is unbelievable that this thing with the dog is still going on while there are children that are homeless. The Asst DA, in front of the judge and on court record, has stated that they have more paperwork on this case than any other.

I wanted the rest of you to hear from me where it currently stands. I want to thank all of you that have steadfastly stood by me for over 2 years with whatever support you were capable of giving. More facts will come out as time goes by and of course after the trial is over.

Thank you,again, to all my supporters and well wishers.
Stay safe and happy sweet girl, whoever and where ever you are.

Alla McGeary


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[Athy]

Among other things, Athy had said from the first that I would not be able to continue this fight financially (as has the DA's office). -

I quickly scanned this pile of steaming nonsense from Alla McGeary and I will swear on a stack of bibles right now that I NEVER made any comment like this to ANYONE. I don't know what "third party" McGeary is referring to but I have no idea what her financial standing is and would be no way able to know whether or not she could "continue this fight financially". I have no idea if the DA's office made this comment or not. I will probably send Alla's missive to the Commonwealth Attorney's Office, they may respond if they please.

Regarding the financial figures named by McGeary, again, DAR&E NEVER EVER set any figure. The only thing that we asked for, repeatedly, was the return of Stella. In the final offer made to McGeary by the prosecutor, they chose the $10,000 figure since they did not include the return of Stella. DAR&E did not establish this figure and McGeary is lying when she says this.

Is this woman begging for a civil suit? I certainly don't understand the behavior.

Athy

[Athy]

Or to someone who stated to the other members of the BoD (before Stella was removed) "We really screwed this dog".
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And before I head to the vet! This comment is inaccurate. Alla, if you have this email, you'd better re-read it. I sent it to the DAR&E board in response to a message from Colleen Taylor. I wonder how you got it.

The phrase I used in a board email was "screwed the pooch". It is slang meaning to screw up a procedure. And I was speaking to the information that Colleen was providing that I later learned to be less than accurate.

It infuriates me that you people insist on taking emails completely out of context and putting them out there to further defame me. You took a slang expression and twisted it.

Please stop this now. Haven't we all had enough of this? Next step is civil suits. Is that where you want to go next?

Athy

[Elaine]

I find Alla’s rambling (posted above by Reni) absolutely unbelievable… she still does not connect to the simple fact that she was wrong in taking Stella. And I am sickened by the impact of the gossip and lies that Alla acted upon. Even now, Alla still wants to attack Athy and Kim, as though she [Alla] was in the right. Even now Alla does not have the common decency to say, “I was wrong Kim, I am sorry and I will do the right thing and work to get Stella back.”

No one believes that Alla handed Stella to a stranger… NO one!!! Alla’s story is an utter total lie and we all know it. Yet Alla wants to throw stones at Kim and Athy as though we should question their credibility... really? What planet is Alla living on that she thinks her superficial lies are credible? We are supposed to believe that a total starnger came to Alla's door and she just handed Stella to this stranger, because she knew this Go-fer or Get-er who be a better home for Stella than Dr. Danoff. If Alla didn't know this stranger, how could she possibly know he would be a better home?

I have heard that Alla's vet told her that Stella's condition was within a normal range... there was NEVER any justification for taking Stella... none!!! I don't for one moment believe that this was ever about Stella. This has always been about getting back at Athy ... it was personal against Athy... we have only to look at the vilification of Athy and DAR&E to know this.

It is obvious that Alla has no connection to the harm she has done, no connection to the pain she has caused… and no grasp what-so-ever of the fact that 12 people unanimously told her she was guilty of a felony. It’s pretty clear she loves being the center of a attention with her little fan club… maybe that’s why she would not end this all when she could have, this is probably more attention than Alla has ever received in her life for anything. How pathetic that this attention is for having done something so destructive and ugly.

[Reni Margar]

Hey, do ya'll like DRAMA? I do. Read this... pretend like you haven't seen it...somewhere.
R.

Here at last is the trial update. I apologize for the delay but because I wasn't able to attend the trial (my car broke down on the way Monday morning), and most of the supporters not being present during the whole trial, it's taken a bit to get the update ready. The information in this update was provided to me by Shirley Gladhill who was able to attend the trial both days.

The trial took place May 4th and 5th and immediately took a wrong turn and stayed there. It was supposed to start at 9 a.m. but the court had other small matters to hear first. When the court was ready to start (a little after 10 a.m.), it was discovered that two of the 24 potential jurors had called in sick and five others had just not shown up. You cannot pick a jury out of 17 people so the judge ordered a recess until such time as they had enough potential jurors to be able to select a jury.

After the potential jurors were chased down and finally arrived, jury selected and lunch was taken, the trial started around 1:30. (Whoever heard of potential jurors just deciding not to come?) That was a happy bunch to have for a jury trial.

The prosecution put their witnesses on first and rested at the end of the day. Of all their witnesses, they only called Athy Conigliaro, Kim Danoff and Donna Piwetz. Alla's attorney made mince meat out of Athy and Danoff. Donna Piwetz read a letter that Alla had sent asking DAR&E's Evaluation Committee for help in monitoring Stella after her return to Danoff. Don't know why that was damning other than it showed that the powers that be in DAR&E could not be trusted to oversee Stella's welfare.

Tuesday morning was for the defense to put their witnesses on. The prosecution would not allow Dr. Sam Burke (President of the Doberman Pinscher Club of America) to testify in front of the jury. They also tried to stop all of Alla's witnesses from testifying and quite a bit of her exhibits. Alla's witnesses (Jill Joyce, Colleen Taylor, Linda Smith, Barbara Johnson and Carol Hilliard) would not allow themselves to be bullied by the prosecutor and corrected him when he tried to twist their words. Most of Alla's exhibits were introduced into evidence without being allowed to be explained in detail.

There were three other witnesses that appeared (Inspector Heflin, Peter Schmitt and AC Officer Zoldak).

Inspector Heflin introduced pictures of a tripod and some e-mails. Heflin is of the search warrant fame.

The vet (Peter Schmitt) that Alla took Stella to for a checkup to ascertain that her weight was where it should be and that she had no physical problems, had written a letter (at the request of Danoff) stating that he saw Stella on Feb. 12th and that she looked good, etc..., and had a shiny coat. When pressed to show where in Stella's chart from the vet clinic it stated such, he had to admit it was not there and that Danoff had asked him to put that in. His excuse was that a dog's coat could not change in three weeks. Obviously, he never worked with rescues in all conditions and, therefore, did not realize that a coat (unless the dog was in such deplorable condition that its health was shot) can be, and is, made shiny by a good shampoo and a conditioner for shiny hair (just like in humans). He also stated that he followed Danoff's orders to him and left a message for Alla that he would call the police if Alla came into the clinic. (Alla still has the tape from her answering machine).

The Animal Control officer that Athy had called on Feb. 10th, 2007 to go and remove Stella testified that he turned her down by telling her it was a civil matter but conveniently forgot that he then called Alla and told her what had occurred and what he had said and that when invited to come see Stella, he declined. Somehow Alla knew all this on Feb. 10th since she relayed it to the members of DAR&E. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Alla took the stand Tuesday afternoon as the last witness. The prosecutor cross examined her and then was allowed by the judge to go beyond the cross of the questions asked by her attorney, John Boneta, and ask his own questions as if she were his witness. The judge overruled all objections. The judge also allowed Alla to be harassed by the prosecutor by allowing him to repeatedly ask the same question over and over (again overruling objections) and trying to twist Alla's answers to try to get her to agree that she had said something she had not. Oh, there was more and when the trial transcript will be made available you will understand why more people have no faith in the judicial system.

I am wondering how a jury can decide any issue when they are not allowed to hear all the facts and, in my opinion, this jury certainly did not hear all the facts of this case!

Wanda
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[Elaine]

Hey, do ya'll like DRAMA? I do. Read this... pretend like you haven't seen it...somewhere.
R.

Here at last is the trial update. I apologize for the delay but because I wasn't able to attend the trial (my car broke down on the way Monday morning), and most of the supporters not being present during the whole trial, it's taken a bit to get the update ready. The information in this update was provided to me by Shirley Gladhill who was able to attend the trial both days.

The trial took place May 4th and 5th and immediately took a wrong turn and stayed there. It was supposed to start at 9 a.m. but the court had other small matters to hear first. When the court was ready to start (a little after 10 a.m.), it was discovered that two of the 24 potential jurors had called in sick and five others had just not shown up. You cannot pick a jury out of 17 people so the judge ordered a recess until such time as they had enough potential jurors to be able to select a jury.

After the potential jurors were chased down and finally arrived, jury selected and lunch was taken, the trial started around 1:30. (Whoever heard of potential jurors just deciding not to come?) That was a happy bunch to have for a jury trial.

The prosecution put their witnesses on first and rested at the end of the day. Of all their witnesses, they only called Athy Conigliaro, Kim Danoff and Donna Piwetz. Alla's attorney made mince meat out of Athy and Danoff. Donna Piwetz read a letter that Alla had sent asking DAR&E's Evaluation Committee for help in monitoring Stella after her return to Danoff. Don't know why that was damning other than it showed that the powers that be in DAR&E could not be trusted to oversee Stella's welfare.

Tuesday morning was for the defense to put their witnesses on. The prosecution would not allow Dr. Sam Burke (President of the Doberman Pinscher Club of America) to testify in front of the jury. They also tried to stop all of Alla's witnesses from testifying and quite a bit of her exhibits. Alla's witnesses (Jill Joyce, Colleen Taylor, Linda Smith, Barbara Johnson and Carol Hilliard) would not allow themselves to be bullied by the prosecutor and corrected him when he tried to twist their words. Most of Alla's exhibits were introduced into evidence without being allowed to be explained in detail.

There were three other witnesses that appeared (Inspector Heflin, Peter Schmitt and AC Officer Zoldak).

Inspector Heflin introduced pictures of a tripod and some e-mails. Heflin is of the search warrant fame.

The vet (Peter Schmitt) that Alla took Stella to for a checkup to ascertain that her weight was where it should be and that she had no physical problems, had written a letter (at the request of Danoff) stating that he saw Stella on Feb. 12th and that she looked good, etc..., and had a shiny coat. When pressed to show where in Stella's chart from the vet clinic it stated such, he had to admit it was not there and that Danoff had asked him to put that in. His excuse was that a dog's coat could not change in three weeks. Obviously, he never worked with rescues in all conditions and, therefore, did not realize that a coat (unless the dog was in such deplorable condition that its health was shot) can be, and is, made shiny by a good shampoo and a conditioner for shiny hair (just like in humans). He also stated that he followed Danoff's orders to him and left a message for Alla that he would call the police if Alla came into the clinic. (Alla still has the tape from her answering machine).

The Animal Control officer that Athy had called on Feb. 10th, 2007 to go and remove Stella testified that he turned her down by telling her it was a civil matter but conveniently forgot that he then called Alla and told her what had occurred and what he had said and that when invited to come see Stella, he declined. Somehow Alla knew all this on Feb. 10th since she relayed it to the members of DAR&E. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Alla took the stand Tuesday afternoon as the last witness. The prosecutor cross examined her and then was allowed by the judge to go beyond the cross of the questions asked by her attorney, John Boneta, and ask his own questions as if she were his witness. The judge overruled all objections. The judge also allowed Alla to be harassed by the prosecutor by allowing him to repeatedly ask the same question over and over (again overruling objections) and trying to twist Alla's answers to try to get her to agree that she had said something she had not. Oh, there was more and when the trial transcript will be made available you will understand why more people have no faith in the judicial system.

I am wondering how a jury can decide any issue when they are not allowed to hear all the facts and, in my opinion, this jury certainly did not hear all the facts of this case!

Wanda
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What a self-serving delusional version of events. Wanda’s cockamamie drivel would almost be funny, except that these delusions fanatics are so destructive. In Wanda’s warped rendition one would almost believe that Alla won, yet we all know that Alla was convicted unanimously. You’ve got to wonder if Alla, Wanda and the gang grasp that the judge applied applicable law, the jury listened to the case and obviously found Dr. Danoff and Athy credible… and did not believe Alla’s line of baloney, not one little bit, which is why they convicted Alla. Never really thought about it before, but I'd bet that most criminals don’t connect to the simple fact that their criminal conduct is WRONG!!! Alla certainly doesn't seem to connect to this simple truth... Wanda doesn't seem to get it either.

[Athy]

The jury heard both sides - that's what a trial is all about. The jury weighed what all parties said. At the end of the trial, they made a unanimous decision and found Alla McGeary guilty. They heard the pertinent facts. I wasn't in the courtroom but yes, I imagine that the prosecutor did object to attempts to introduce information that wasn't pertinent, just as the defense attorney did. The judge sustained objections when appropriate and overruled when not. It is simply not believable that the trial was totally unfair to Alla. It wasn't.

Athy

[Reni Margar]

Your history, Athy, and that of DAR&E goes back a long time. You have a great deal to be proud of.

So, instead of a back and forth on something I clearly don't understand, how about I quote Sponge Bob here and be done with this.

"Take it easy, but don't get greasy." {Sponge, Robert W. }
R.

[katdobemom]

Your history, Athy, and that of DAR&E goes back a long time. You have a great deal to be proud of.

So, instead of a back and forth on something I clearly don't understand, how about I quote Sponge Bob here and be done with this.

"Take it easy, but don't get greasy." {Sponge, Robert W. }
R.


Reni
Athy def has a history with DAR&E. She founded DAR&E over 11 years ago. :)To date she and DAR&E have rescued over 1200 dobermans who otherwised would have died.
While some would love to see DAR&E go down, that just aint about to happen.
When people put an opinion out, rebuttal isnt an attack.

[Athy]

Well, for those who are interested, I just feel the need to respond to one of Wanda's statements.

Wanda wrote: "Alla's attorney made mince meat out of Athy and Danoff."

I'd like to give you a few examples where I was "made mince meat ... of".

Example 1. Alla's attorney asked me if I was aware of the citation against Danoff.

I think to myself. Citation? From Animal Control? A traffic citation? What kind of citation? Well, I can't ask the lawyer questions, I'm on the stand! Well, it doesn't matter what KIND of citation. I'm not aware of any citations. So I answer. No, I'm not aware of any citations. He asks me again - Is that your testimony??? Uh, yeah. I'm not aware of any.

After the trial, I find out that he asked Kim the same question. And Kim tells me there was no citation (which I'm sure Alla's attorney could have verified by checking with Fairfax Animal Control). At one point, one of her neighbors had complained to Kim about Stella barking - it never went beyond the neighbors and it never went to AC. No citation issued by Animal Control. Ever. But the question was asked and answered - I guess it was intended to make me look clueless and to raise doubt in the jury's mind about Kim.

Example 2. Alla's attorney asked me if I knew how many animals Kim had. I think hmmmm. Well yeah, I know she had one other dog besides Stella. And a bunch of senior cats. And a bunch of birds and snakes. Did I know exactly how many? No - I knew she had ONE OTHER DOG and several cats. He kind of went "harumph" and there it laid. I knew she was within the bounds of her county ordinances. I guess the tactic was that Kim had all these animals and somehow that should have affected my decision. Sorry. I don't consider one other dog, kitties and a bunch of birds and snakes to be the downfall of a would-be adopter.

Example 3. Alla's attorney asked me if the fact that Alla's owns 8 acres and that Kim owns a three story townhome entered into my decision to vote "yes" to allow Kim to adopt Stella. I answered truthfully "no". I believe he asked again and I repeated "no, it didn't". I guess that was a "mince meat" answer. But answering honestly, in my value system, I don't think it matters that you have a town home versus 8 acres. In fact, I felt that he'd just slapped every dog owner who lives in an apartment or condo or small home. You can have a small home and still be a good dog owner.

These are just three examples. There were others. If this is being "made mince meat... of..", then yes, I guess I got torn to shreds up there. Although I think I would have called it being honest about what I knew when and how I made decisions. There are others but I guess three is plenty.

And for those of you out there who don't have 8 acres, who've had complaints from the neighbors about your barking dogs, or who have multiple pets, be careful!!! Someone might just decide that you shouldn't have your Doberman.

Athy

[katdobemom]

What a self-serving delusional version of events. Wanda’s cockamamie drivel would almost be funny, except that these delusions fanatics are so destructive. In Wanda’s warped rendition one would almost believe that Alla won, yet we all know that Alla was convicted unanimously. You’ve got to wonder if Alla, Wanda and the gang grasp that the judge applied applicable law, the jury listened to the case and obviously found Dr. Danoff and Athy credible… and did not believe Alla’s line of baloney, not one little bit, which is why they convicted Alla. Never really thought about it before, but I'd bet that most criminals don’t connect to the simple fact that their criminal conduct is WRONG!!! Alla certainly doesn't seem to connect to this simple truth... Wanda doesn't seem to get it either.



All
A bit about Wanda's history with DAR&E.
Wanda took on the role as foster home coordinator once upon a time and lasted a whole 5 days before a tearful meltdown saying she just couldnt do it. My guess is when it meant WORK rather than hiding behind a computer, is when she realized this wasnt for her. Its truly much easier to slam those that do from behind a computer screen. When it gets down and dirty, just walk away?
Wanda owns a petsitting business in Manchester Md area.
I can't imagine being ok with someone who petsits yet promotes dog theft. She could basically go into a home and think because the dog is not what she thinks it should be weight wise, just steal the dog?
I can't imagine a client being ok with that?

[stellasmommy]

Hey, do ya'll like DRAMA? I do. Read this... pretend like you haven't seen it...somewhere.
R.


Here at last is the trial update. I apologize for the delay but because I wasn't able to attend the trial (my car broke down on the way Monday morning), and most of the supporters not being present during the whole trial, it's taken a bit to get the update ready. The information in this update was provided to me by Shirley Gladhill who was able to attend the trial both days.

The trial took place May 4th and 5th and immediately took a wrong turn and stayed there. It was supposed to start at 9 a.m. but the court had other small matters to hear first. When the court was ready to start (a little after 10 a.m.), it was discovered that two of the 24 potential jurors had called in sick and five others had just not shown up. You cannot pick a jury out of 17 people so the judge ordered a recess until such time as they had enough potential jurors to be able to select a jury.

After the potential jurors were chased down and finally arrived, jury selected and lunch was taken, the trial started around 1:30. (Whoever heard of potential jurors just deciding not to come?) That was a happy bunch to have for a jury trial.

The prosecution put their witnesses on first and rested at the end of the day. Of all their witnesses, they only called Athy Conigliaro, Kim Danoff and Donna Piwetz. Alla's attorney made mince meat out of Athy and Danoff. Donna Piwetz read a letter that Alla had sent asking DAR&E's Evaluation Committee for help in monitoring Stella after her return to Danoff. Don't know why that was damning other than it showed that the powers that be in DAR&E could not be trusted to oversee Stella's welfare.

Tuesday morning was for the defense to put their witnesses on. The prosecution would not allow Dr. Sam Burke (President of the Doberman Pinscher Club of America) to testify in front of the jury. They also tried to stop all of Alla's witnesses from testifying and quite a bit of her exhibits. Alla's witnesses (Jill Joyce, Colleen Taylor, Linda Smith, Barbara Johnson and Carol Hilliard) would not allow themselves to be bullied by the prosecutor and corrected him when he tried to twist their words. Most of Alla's exhibits were introduced into evidence without being allowed to be explained in detail.

There were three other witnesses that appeared (Inspector Heflin, Peter Schmitt and AC Officer Zoldak).

Inspector Heflin introduced pictures of a tripod and some e-mails. Heflin is of the search warrant fame.

The vet (Peter Schmitt) that Alla took Stella to for a checkup to ascertain that her weight was where it should be and that she had no physical problems, had written a letter (at the request of Danoff) stating that he saw Stella on Feb. 12th and that she looked good, etc..., and had a shiny coat. When pressed to show where in Stella's chart from the vet clinic it stated such, he had to admit it was not there and that Danoff had asked him to put that in. His excuse was that a dog's coat could not change in three weeks. Obviously, he never worked with rescues in all conditions and, therefore, did not realize that a coat (unless the dog was in such deplorable condition that its health was shot) can be, and is, made shiny by a good shampoo and a conditioner for shiny hair (just like in humans). He also stated that he followed Danoff's orders to him and left a message for Alla that he would call the police if Alla came into the clinic. (Alla still has the tape from her answering machine).

The Animal Control officer that Athy had called on Feb. 10th, 2007 to go and remove Stella testified that he turned her down by telling her it was a civil matter but conveniently forgot that he then called Alla and told her what had occurred and what he had said and that when invited to come see Stella, he declined. Somehow Alla knew all this on Feb. 10th since she relayed it to the members of DAR&E. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Alla took the stand Tuesday afternoon as the last witness. The prosecutor cross examined her and then was allowed by the judge to go beyond the cross of the questions asked by her attorney, John Boneta, and ask his own questions as if she were his witness. The judge overruled all objections. The judge also allowed Alla to be harassed by the prosecutor by allowing him to repeatedly ask the same question over and over (again overruling objections) and trying to twist Alla's answers to try to get her to agree that she had said something she had not. Oh, there was more and when the trial transcript will be made available you will understand why more people have no faith in the judicial system.

I am wondering how a jury can decide any issue when they are not allowed to hear all the facts and, in my opinion, this jury certainly did not hear all the facts of this case!

Wanda
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they did not turn me into mince meat. quite the opposite. the defense attorney asked very few questions and the questions ALL either helped our case or certainly did not hurt our case. Obviously he was fed some lies as he looked to be surprised at various points in time. in fact, people watching the trial, that were obviously not witnesses, all commended me on how well i did, and felt it was a powerful testimony.

for example: i was asked..."isn't it true that you kept stella with you at all times and did not leave her at home b/c you did not trust her at home alone as she would get into trouble". NO! i kept stella with me 24/7 b/c i enjoyed her company and this is exactly what i did with my other dog, charles. i would never keep one dog with me and leave the other one at home in a crate.

i was asked if i ever threatened to sue athy/dare. NEVER!!!

a whole bunch of garbage. lies. alla-please return stella. let's sit down and discuss this. like adults. like sane individuals. you would not hate me if you knew me. you think i am something i am not. b/c people have relayed info to you that was false. this has escalated to such a level that astonishes me. yet, even now, and at any time in the future, i am more than willing to sit down with you and/or your friends to discuss this calmly and to try to resolve this and make peace. geez...anyone that knows me, knows me i am a peacemaker, not a fighter. that is not how i handle myself. let's put this behind us. mistakes were made. let's make peace. and if you think i am fooling by saying this...i am not. i mean this. let's come to some sort of agreement and move on. you have a mother and pets to care for and a life to live. and i have my family and animals, etc i want to start focusing on. please alla, let's sit down with a mediator and make peace.

[LoveThoseReds]

Has DARE ever stolen a dog or knowingly received a stolen dog?

[Reni Margar]

PERMISSION TO CROSS-POST IN ITS ENTIRETY -



From where I sat … the experience of a Witness for the Defense of Alla McGeary



First, thank you to those who showed up and sat in the Courtroom for two days, to show their support for Alla (and thank you to Wanda for trying!). And thank you to my fellow Defense Witnesses. I hold you all in high esteem. You spoke the truth and stood up for Alla, even when the Prosecution tried to twist your words and not allow you to speak freely!



The witnesses were kept outside the courtroom until called to testify (and also at the end to hear the closing arguments and jury verdicts). I think I can speak for all of us when I say that, for seating, they provided the most uncomfortable, hard, wooden-slat benches that I have ever seen. If you didn’t have a bad-back going in, you did coming out!



The Frederick County system is so unorganized that the court case was delayed in starting by HOURS because they hadn’t managed their jury-pool. If I was someone who hadn’t expected to be called to serve on the Jury, and then got called in at the last minute, I wouldn’t be in a very good mood once I arrived. In fact, I would be pre-disposed against the person being brought to trial. Not to mention that, “Innocent until proven Guilty� is a great saying. But the presumption is that the Commonwealth wouldn’t waste time and money on something frivolous … right??? (Talk about shaking your faith in the judicial system.)



The Frederick County prosecutor is certainly “inventive� at what he does. At one point, on day two, he was actually sitting between me and the Defense attorney on one of the benches, chatting to Alla’s lawyer like he was a dear friend. And later in the afternoon, the prosecutor tried to chat with the Defense witnesses to clarifying dates and events, lamenting that he was “just doing his job�. (Was that to try and make himself feel good? Make excuses for what he was doing? Made me want to retch.) And then later he tried again to speak with the defense witnesses regarding the Danoff Home Visit. Either he didn’t know the facts, or was trying to come up with a new way to bend them before the Defense witnesses were called to testify.



Further, in my opinion, while the judge didn’t get to give the verdict, he certainly did as much as he could to drive the events so the jury would hear only what would make them come to the result that the judge wanted.



From my own experience, I can share how the judge allowed the Prosecutor to use inflammatory language (shouting at me, “So where in the guidelines does it allow a person to STEAL a dog!� over and over), overruling the Defense objections to such leading language. That seemed to be his approach with everyone.



And to my personal shame, I didn’t think fast enough to tell him that DAR&E stole dogs on a regular basis (or received dogs known to be stolen). Yes, there were frequently rumors about some dogs that came into the system. (Remember, DAR&E is pretty shrewd. They use the “need to know� philosophy, so that only a few people on BOD really have the full story at any given time.) But I’m referring specifically to two cases for which there is absolute proof. Sadly, I wasn’t able to throw that bomb out.



And, to make this all even more sickening…. As the Jury read the verdict, Danoff was crying in the courtroom, sitting in the back row with Athy and her mafia. The tears immediately turned off when everyone was waiting while the Jury reconvened to come to the punishment. Then when we went back into the courtroom to hear the punishment, Danoff started the tears back up and made sure she sat in the first row “snuggled� up to Heflin (the “investigator� in the case). Talk about gross and sleazy looking … really icky. I was also in the front row, and sitting close enough that I could hear Danoff whispering to Heflin about “restitution�. Apparently, she had been hoping that Prosecution witnesses could get back on the stand and make a last “boo-hoo� to the Jury in hopes of increasing the punishment, or her getting some cash. Luckily, that wasn’t allowed.



And you could tell that Athy, Danoff and the rest of the flying monkeys were totally disappointed. It is true that the Jury had issued a guilty verdict, which (again, in my humble opinion) occurred because of the permitted manipulation of the defense witnesses and our testimony, suppression of evidence, and Judge bias. But the Jury was at least able to mitigate their position by taking only a few minutes to choose the lowest level punishment they had on the list … the $2,500 fine.



Folks, I don’t know what comes next. Please continue to stand by Alla with your support, she still needs our help. Danoff has already threatened that, “this isn’t over�. They have tried to bankrupt and ruin Alla. I have no idea how far reaching a Felony conviction will go in damaging Alla’s ability to live a good life. But we have to do what we can to help wherever possible.



Thanks,

Jill Joyce


To ALL,
We all know this isn't about a dog but the morally corrupt out to destroy Alla. Makes you guys look like a bunch of major creeps. You must have some place else to expend your energy such as ...go rescue a dog ....or help someone less fortunate.
Reni

[katdobemom]

To ALL,
We all know this isn't about a dog but the morally corrupt out to destroy Alla. Makes you guys look like a bunch of major creeps. You must have some place else to expend your energy such as ...go rescue a dog ....or help someone less fortunate.
Reni[/QUOTE]


Reni
Alla's Team, or can I use the term "mafia" as well, can make all the excuses they want.
A jury of 12 people who had ZERO pre knowledge or interest in this heard the case.
They made a decision. Because its not the way Alla's team wanted, everyone is corrupt?
Alla and her band of Robin Hood wannabee's (DA's term for her btw) can say her attorney wasnt allowed to do this or that...........Hell, she picked him as her attorney.
Give me a friggin break.
And just so ya know Reni.............WE, DAR&E continue to rescue dobes and have done so thruout this whole mess.
They sure would be singing another tune if this had gone the other way, wouldnt they?
DAR&E didnt set out to destroy Alla. Alla managed that on her own.
What these people dont get is that theft is illegal.
These people that continue to spew have nothing to lose...its Alla's butt that was rightfully convicted of a felony.
Give me a break.............

[Elaine]

Has DARE ever stolen a dog or knowingly received a stolen dog?

Haven’t a clue what the answer is… can’t help but wonder just how far Alla supporters will go to ignore the obvious.

Alla is not even remotely credible to people outside of the Cyberdobes gossip mill. All twelve members of the jury, who had the opportunity to hear Alla’s case, presented in the strongest light possible, and all twelve expressly said, “We’ve heard your version of this Alla McGeary, we do not find you credible, We believe that what you did was wrong.” As a result, Alla is now a convicted felon. She was found guilty of HER conduct.

In our experience, the only people who even remotely buy Alla’s line of baloney are her oddball little gang of, shall we say, “ethically challenged” groupies who apparently feel that it is okay to break the law as long as you bizarrely think you’re right to do so (or as long as Cyberdobes tells you it’s okay to break the law).

This was always about things other than Stella. Of all the dogs in this country that legitimately need rescue, Stella is not one. Dr. Danoff was a loving devoted capable care giver for Stella, we all know that... it is indisputable. Even Alla’s vet told Alla that Stella was in good condition. There was never a credible reason for Alla to take Stella. There is absolutely no reason on earth for Alla to give Stella to a person she told the jury simply “appeared on her door step,” was a total “stranger” to her, and was going to whisk Stella away to a chain of people receiving stolen property (which Alla described as the underground rail road). That chain of people were in possession of stolen property, no more, no less. Who among us would give a dog over to a stranger? Who among us buys any part of Alla’s baloney?

This was never about Stella, never! Alla probably thought she would get away with what she did. Clearly she did not. She was prosecuted… and we law abiding dog owners are all the better because Alla was convicted. The jury sent a loud clear message to Alla, “Lady, what you did is WRONG!!!” It appears that Alla and her fans are unable to hear the message.

Talk to people outside of Cyberdobes and outside of the ringside gossip. I’ve never heard one person say, “Boy, sounds like this Alla chick did the right thing.”

Educated, mature, rational adults, who embrace societal norms, have the opinion that Alla should have returned Stella immediately, most will say that they would have voted to throw Alla's sorry butt in jail… a few will offer that if someone stole their beloved family dog, they’d have acted first and sorted it all out with the police later. Not one single person we’ve spoken with about this case has ever supported or condoned what Alla did. Not a one.

I am in awe of Dr. Danoff for being so civilized throughout this ordeal. Kim believed in our judicial system and did not take action on her own. Don’t know many who would be so restrained.

Alla and her supporters need to start putting their efforts into undoing the damage Alla has done. If these folks had even an ounce of decency or integrity they'd be raising money to help get Stella back instead of this other nonsense.

[Elaine]

PERMISSION TO CROSS-POST IN ITS ENTIRETY -



From where I sat … the experience of a Witness for the Defense of Alla McGeary



First, thank you to those who showed up and sat in the Courtroom for two days, to show their support for Alla (and thank you to Wanda for trying!). And thank you to my fellow Defense Witnesses. I hold you all in high esteem. You spoke the truth and stood up for Alla, even when the Prosecution tried to twist your words and not allow you to speak freely!



The witnesses were kept outside the courtroom until called to testify (and also at the end to hear the closing arguments and jury verdicts). I think I can speak for all of us when I say that, for seating, they provided the most uncomfortable, hard, wooden-slat benches that I have ever seen. If you didn’t have a bad-back going in, you did coming out!



The Frederick County system is so unorganized that the court case was delayed in starting by HOURS because they hadn’t managed their jury-pool. If I was someone who hadn’t expected to be called to serve on the Jury, and then got called in at the last minute, I wouldn’t be in a very good mood once I arrived. In fact, I would be pre-disposed against the person being brought to trial. Not to mention that, “Innocent until proven Guilty� is a great saying. But the presumption is that the Commonwealth wouldn’t waste time and money on something frivolous … right??? (Talk about shaking your faith in the judicial system.)



The Frederick County prosecutor is certainly “inventive� at what he does. At one point, on day two, he was actually sitting between me and the Defense attorney on one of the benches, chatting to Alla’s lawyer like he was a dear friend. And later in the afternoon, the prosecutor tried to chat with the Defense witnesses to clarifying dates and events, lamenting that he was “just doing his job�. (Was that to try and make himself feel good? Make excuses for what he was doing? Made me want to retch.) And then later he tried again to speak with the defense witnesses regarding the Danoff Home Visit. Either he didn’t know the facts, or was trying to come up with a new way to bend them before the Defense witnesses were called to testify.



Further, in my opinion, while the judge didn’t get to give the verdict, he certainly did as much as he could to drive the events so the jury would hear only what would make them come to the result that the judge wanted.



From my own experience, I can share how the judge allowed the Prosecutor to use inflammatory language (shouting at me, “So where in the guidelines does it allow a person to STEAL a dog!� over and over), overruling the Defense objections to such leading language. That seemed to be his approach with everyone.



And to my personal shame, I didn’t think fast enough to tell him that DAR&E stole dogs on a regular basis (or received dogs known to be stolen). Yes, there were frequently rumors about some dogs that came into the system. (Remember, DAR&E is pretty shrewd. They use the “need to know� philosophy, so that only a few people on BOD really have the full story at any given time.) But I’m referring specifically to two cases for which there is absolute proof. Sadly, I wasn’t able to throw that bomb out.



And, to make this all even more sickening…. As the Jury read the verdict, Danoff was crying in the courtroom, sitting in the back row with Athy and her mafia. The tears immediately turned off when everyone was waiting while the Jury reconvened to come to the punishment. Then when we went back into the courtroom to hear the punishment, Danoff started the tears back up and made sure she sat in the first row “snuggled� up to Heflin (the “investigator� in the case). Talk about gross and sleazy looking … really icky. I was also in the front row, and sitting close enough that I could hear Danoff whispering to Heflin about “restitution�. Apparently, she had been hoping that Prosecution witnesses could get back on the stand and make a last “boo-hoo� to the Jury in hopes of increasing the punishment, or her getting some cash. Luckily, that wasn’t allowed.



And you could tell that Athy, Danoff and the rest of the flying monkeys were totally disappointed. It is true that the Jury had issued a guilty verdict, which (again, in my humble opinion) occurred because of the permitted manipulation of the defense witnesses and our testimony, suppression of evidence, and Judge bias. But the Jury was at least able to mitigate their position by taking only a few minutes to choose the lowest level punishment they had on the list … the $2,500 fine.



Folks, I don’t know what comes next. Please continue to stand by Alla with your support, she still needs our help. Danoff has already threatened that, “this isn’t over�. They have tried to bankrupt and ruin Alla. I have no idea how far reaching a Felony conviction will go in damaging Alla’s ability to live a good life. But we have to do what we can to help wherever possible.



Thanks,

Jill Joyce


To ALL,
We all know this isn't about a dog but the morally corrupt out to destroy Alla. Makes you guys look like a bunch of major creeps. You must have some place else to expend your energy such as ...go rescue a dog ....or help someone less fortunate.
Reni

Having read through some of the narratives here posted by Alla’s supporters (like this one above) I am a bit surprised at how profoundly ignorant these folks are of our judicial system and of how legal professionals interact with each other. But then, they appear equally disconnected from the simple concept of right and wrong. They seem rather fanatical that they are right, even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. No question but that people like Alla and her supporters exist… they seem to feel that they are above the law, they cause a lot of pain and suffering in the course of how they conduct themselves. I for one am glad that in this one instance right triumphed over wrong… and Alla was convicted. Alla’s conviction (being held accountable for her conduct) may be the only thing that backs these kinds of people up a bit.

[Lou's mom]

... I have no idea how far reaching a Felony conviction will go in damaging Alla’s ability to live a good life. ...Jill Joyce


The right to vote, bear arms, serve on a jury, hold a job which requires any significant background check....

And what's with the "’" ? Makes it even harder to read.

[Lou's mom]

... how profoundly ignorant these folks are of our judicial system and of how legal professionals interact with each other.

Or even watch any of the bazillions of crime shows on TV.

... Alla’s conviction (being held accountable for her conduct) may be the only thing that backs these kinds of people up a bit.

Naw, we'll be seeing this again......


on Judge Judy, or Jerry Springer :rolleyes:

[Athy]

Has DARE ever stolen a dog or knowingly received a stolen dog?

No, we have not. That's a popular myth though.

We did repossess a dog once upon a time. We're allowed to do that on account of the contract that our adopters sign. It was not done as smoothly as it should have been however (thank the two volunteers who jumped the gun on taking the dog - I haven't named who the two were but I'll be happy to since one of them is very involved in Alla's defense :)) The man was keeping the dog in a very insecure backyard, she'd already escaped a couple times and had been picked up by AC. AC called us and told us what he was doing - certainly not abiding by the terms of the contract.

The man threatened to file charges and told his lawyer that he didn't know who we were or why we took his dog. When we faxed his lawyer a copy of the adoption contract (and gave him the contact at the local humane society who confirmed that the dog had been picked up by AC a couple times), the guy dropped the whole thing.

Hope that helps.

Athy

[Athy]

Jill Joyce wrote:
<<And to my personal shame, I didn’t think fast enough to tell him that DAR&E stole dogs on a regular basis (or received dogs known to be stolen). Yes, there were frequently rumors about some dogs that came into the system. (Remember, DAR&E is pretty shrewd. They use the “need to know� philosophy, so that only a few people on BOD really have the full story at any given time.) But I’m referring specifically to two cases for which there is absolute proof. Sadly, I wasn’t able to throw that bomb out.>>

You weren't thinking fast enough? Or maybe you were thinking you maybe shouldn't perjure yourself.

Athy

[Athy]

I'm sorry to be such a "stickler for detail" as the defense attorney called me :) but I need to correct one of Jill Joyce's many inaccurate comments.

Jill Joyce wrote:
<< But the Jury was at least able to mitigate their position by taking only a few minutes to choose the lowest level punishment they had on the list … the $2,500 fine.>>

Um, no. This is not correct. The lowest level of punishment they had on the list was a $1 fine. They had three choices: 1 to 10 years in the state pen or 1 to 12 months in the county jail or $1 to $2,500 fine.

Given the fact that Alla had no prior record, incarceration would indeed have been extreme. So instead, the jury gave her the maximum punishment they could short of incarceration: a $2,500 fine.

Athy

[Reni Margar]

Oh heavens I've been a busy beaver. Alla is the furthest thing from a stickler for detail as most of us have learned.

Let me go over the steps:
1. Jury brought in guilty verdict
2. Judge asked the prosecution if he wished to discuss with the defense a solution to keep the felony charge off of my record.
3. The prosecutor refused since I had turned him down before with the 'settlement' that they had offered
4. The judge told the jury that I had a perfectly clean record. The judge showed the jury a sheet of paper and explained to them that:
a) the top line lists up to 5 yrs in prison and there is a box beside it
b) the middle line lists up to 12 months in jail and there is a box beside that
c) the last line lists a fine up to $2500 and there is a box beside this also
d) just because the fine is on the last line does not mean that is the least likely penalty you should choose. Pick the one that you feel applies and check the box
5. The jury did not have the option of picking the term or the amount. The judge did that.

Alla

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I'm sorry to be such a "stickler for detail" as the defense attorney called me but I need to correct one of Jill Joyce's many inaccurate comments.

Jill Joyce wrote:
<< But the Jury was at least able to mitigate their position by taking only a few minutes to choose the lowest level punishment they had on the list … the $2,500 fine.>>

Um, no. This is not correct. The lowest level of punishment they had on the list was a $1 fine. They had three choices: 1 to 10 years in the state pen or 1 to 12 months in the county jail or $1 to $2,500 fine.

Given the fact that Alla had no prior record, incarceration would indeed have been extreme. So instead, the jury gave her the maximum punishment they could short of incarceration: a $2,500 fine.

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Do we have BOTH sides now... I really don't understand any of this. Do you?
Reni

[Elaine]

Reni,

You seem very confused and I'm not surprised, given your other sources of information. I will try to make this very clear for you: the jury convicted Alla McGeary and imposed the MAXIMUN monetary fine allowed by law. After roughly two years of your sort of idiotic spin (which as you mention, comes directly from Alla and her supporters like McNealy / Cyberdobes), Alla McGeary is now a convicted felon. She is a convicted felon because of her conduct. The jury unanimously did not believe her and her witnesses. Rather, the jury of 12 reasonable people listened to the facts and believed the prosecutor, Kim Danoff and Athy. People can try to turn this anyway that suits you, but to those efforts are pathetic. It appears that some people simply have no connection what-so-ever to the simple concept of right and wrong.

For all her supporters professed knowledge and insight, all they have accomplished is that they secured a felony conviction for Alla McGeary. There may well be other convictions to follow.

I wonder it that backs them up even a tiny bit? Do you suppose it ever sinks in for even a moment that they were dead wrong in this? Can they grasp that what they are attempting to do is extraordinarily revealing about their utter lack of judgment. They have been dead wrong at every step of the way here. Stealing Stella was wrong, even Alla’s vet implicitly said so, Athy and DAR&E said so too. Alla was held accountable, when her supporters clearly thought she would not be. The State of Virginia (by and through the prosecutor) said Alla was wrong and ultimately a jury of 12 reasonable people said so too. Alla is now a convicted felon. What part of this do they not grasp?

Athy and DAR&E work for the betterment of the Doberman breed. Their contribution to our breed and to the sport of showing dogs is positive and admirable. People like All and her supporters add nothing of value what-so-ever. Rather, they are still putting their efforts into some useless and destructive harangue that is going absolutely no where. They look like utter fools, and who knows, maybe they are. Why else would they continue like they do?

I am a big fan of free speech, and I've let you [Reni} and a few other folks here run with some really idiotic diatribes, but they are offering nothing of value here. In our view they represent the very worst of people involved in dogs. People who support convicted felons like Alla McGeary are ultimately an embarrassment to us all.

Since you seem to read what is written here on DSNN, how about you read the email below that was sent to Kim back on February 1, 2007. Read the first sentence, "You guys look so happy, and Stella looks terrific."

"AND STELLA LOOKS TERRIFIC"

"You guys look so happy, and Stella looks terrific."

I'll leave you, Alla, McNealy etc. with this simple question, does it sound like Barbara was concerned that Stella was being abused?

From: BARBARA JOHNSON <barbara_johnson@verizon.net>
To: vetrehab@aol.com (vetrehab@aol.com)
Sent: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 9:29 am
Subject: Re: Stella's Summer Adventures


Hi Kim,
You guys look so happy, and Stella looks terrific. There was never any doubt that she adores you (I could see it all over her), and that you love her. How is she doing? If you and Stella want to come over to run and play with my Dobie's we would love to have you over. I'll attach the directions I use for monthly playgroups (next one will be Feb 10 2-4pm). We probably only live about 3-4 miles apart, so if you want to stop by as your schedule allows we could do that too (I have been working more from home lately). Thank you for thinking to send the pictures to me.
Barbara




So dear Reni, unless you have something meritorious to add on this or any subject here on DSNN, I think it might be a good time for you to take a little break, run along and play somewhere else, maybe you should go buy a dog and spend a little time with him/her... and re-think whether you and DSNN are even a good fit?

[Elaine]

The significance of Ms. Barbara Johnson’s February 1, 2007 email (posted in blue above) may be lost on readers who do not have some background.

Ms. Johnson did a DAR&E Home Visit Report on Kim and Stella and recommended that Kim be approved to adopt Stella subject to positive feed back from trainers, behaviorists and others who had first hand knowledge of Stella with Kim (all of which was obtained and was positive) and some conditions about food and exercise (which Kim agreed to).

Stella was taken from Kim on or about January, 26, 2007 by Linda Smith, a former DAR&E Foster Home Coordinator. Purportedly Linda Smith told the DAR&E Board that Kim did not want to commit to Stella (which we all now know was a bold faced lie) and Linda told Kim that removing Stella was some sort of “standard DAR&E procedure" which again, we know is not true. Linda transferred Stella to Alla, who originally agreed to return Stella to Kim... and then changed her mind, now claiming that she gave Stella to a total stranger "Gopher" who just appeared at Alla's door step.

I do not know Barbara or Linda… I can’t help but wonder how things went so terribly wrong.

[Elaine]

Update - this is the most current information we have:

Sentencing has been moved to July 9, 2009.

Alla was found guilty of Failure to Return Bailed Property
in violation of Virginia Code 18.2-117.

Sentencing is scheduled for June 9, 2009.

This is a Class 5 felony which is punishable by up to 10 years in the penitentiary or up to 12 months in jail and/or a fine of up to $2500.00

The jury recommendation was the fine.

[Athy]

Small correction, there are actually two charge codes referenced on the Virginia courts page: Virginia Codes 18.2-117 & 97.

Virginia Code 18.2-117 is Failure of bailee to return animal, aircraft, vehicle or boat.

If any person comes into the possession as bailee of any animal, aircraft, vehicle, boat or vessel, and fail to return the same to the bailor, in accordance with the bailment agreement, he shall be deemed guilty of larceny thereof and receive the same punishment, according to the value of the thing stolen, prescribed for the punishment of the larceny of goods and chattels. The failure to return to the bailor such animal, aircraft, vehicle, boat or vessel, within five days from the time the bailee has agreed in writing to return the same shall be prima facie evidence of larceny by such bailee of such animal, aircraft, vehicle, boat or vessel.

Virginia Code 18.2-97 is Larceny of certain animals and poultry.

Any person who shall be guilty of the larceny of a dog, horse, pony, mule, cow, steer, bull or calf shall be guilty of a Class 5 felony; and any person who shall be guilty of the larceny of any poultry of the value of $5 dollars or more, but of the value of less than $200, or of a sheep, lamb, swine, or goat, of the value of less than $200, shall be guilty of a Class 6 felony.


Athy