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Elaine
05-22-2009, 07:17 AM
There is a happy ending to this horrible saga, but as you read the following ask yourself a few questions, the first of which is, “How do good beginnings and good feelings get so terribly off track?”

More on point, in 2009, with the looming main stream media attention that is coming down the tracks at us like a speeding train, we all have to ask, “How will the American public view dog people? How will the videos of happy Westminster winners look when linked side by side with stories like the one below?

How on earth can we defend the conduct of long-time handlers /breeders, who treat their clients and the dogs with such utter disregard for common decency? Is it even possible to remain connected to the needs of these precious beautiful souls - the dogs- in the daily grind of scratching and clawing to eek out a living breeding and showing dogs? Or, does the “profession” or enterprise itself destroy any real bond or connection to the dogs over time, to the point where the dogs are simply a commodity, who’s sole value is being the source of handling income or puppy / semen sales.

Here's an example, wish I could say it was unique, but it's not. A man called me this past Wednesday night, he was calling from the road, on his way home from having finally reclaimed his bitch from Jim and Ann White. The man was elated, feeling an odd mixture of victory, relief and a bit of disbelief… he probably had to pinch himself to be sure he was finally over his nightmare with Jim and Ann White.

The man’s story goes like this: Over a year ago he purchased a bitch from the Whites with the agreement that Ann would show her. I believe he had a show male from them as well. Ann had the male for a time and showed him… decided that (even though in Ann’s care), his condition was not up to par for the ring, so Ann asked that the man switch the male out with the bitch. Essentially the same thing happened, the bitch, while in Ann’s care, was deemed by Ann to be not in condition to be competitive in the ring. The man was paying as he could, but he was telling the Whites all along, “I can only pay so much to show these dogs, are you sure we should be showing them now?” The response he says he got from the Whites was basically, “Don’t worry about it.”

The board bill for the bitch was mounting, she was not being shown… her condition (while in the White’s care) was not improving enough for her to be shown, the man was getting absolutely nothing of value out of having his bitch living with the Whites. The only people benefitting were the Whites, who were running up a tab on a board bill that man simply could not afford. He repeatedly told the Whites that he was willing to make payments on the bill, but he wanted his bitch home. The Whites said, “No.” Essentially the Whites held the man’s bitch hostage until he paid an ever increasing board bill, which I think amounted to about $18 a day. Do the math, $18 a day adds up pretty fast. For a family in this economy the bill would get out of hand in a short time and pretty soon the man would owe more in board than the dollar value of the bitch.

You have to wonder if long-time breeders/handlers know this dynamic very well, from having done this type of thing repeatedly in the past. Do they actually intend to get control of people's bitches by racking up show expenses and/or board bills that the owner has no hope of being able to pay. That way the handler gets control of the bitch and her puppies, after all, what other commodity does the owner have to barter with to get their bitch back?

Months ago the man went to the local police who went with him to the White's home and asked Jim White to return the man’s bitch. Jim White said, “no.” I spoke with the man several times back then, it was clear he loved his bitch and was willing to do whatever was necessary to get her back. It was agony for him to have to leave HIS bitch at the Whites. Imagine what it would be like to have to leave your dog and walk away, to wait for the legal system to sort things out. Our hearts went out to him. As we all know, the legal system takes time, money and perseverance. We gave the man the best advice we could and (given our first hand experience with the Whites), we offered to help in any way possible.

Eventually the man went to court, got a court order, ordering that his bitch be returned to him. The Whites still said, “NO.” According to the man, the court ruled that it was wrong for the Whites to have kept the man’s bitch all these months. Even so, the Whites still demanded that the man pay them for all the board they were charging while they had been illegally keeping his bitch. To me, that would be like the bank robber, when caught, trying to charge the bank interest on the money he stole before he returned their money to them.

The man called Wednesday night. When I first grabbed the phone and saw his number on the caller i.d. I feared the worst... but as I said at the top of this thread, this story has a happy ending. The man was on the road, had his kids with him. He said that the White’s attorney finally convinced them that they were in contempt of court and that they needed to return the bitch. So, after months of haggling and more than one trip across country to the White’s home, the man got a call that said, "Come get her." After all this time, after all his efforts, basically because he did not give up or back down to the Whites, he finally had his bitch back.

He says that when he showed up at the White’s place Ann walked out with the bitch on the lead. The bitch was subdued, not at all connected to Ann, but she seemed not sure about who the man was. The man was sad, fearing that after all this time his beloved bitch would not remember him.

Ann made a big point of having to get her lead back, and then turned and stormed off, not bothering to even pat the bitch good-bye. Once Ann was gone the bitch took a whiff of the man and a light went on with her. Her eyes came alive, her tail wagged, she remembered him. Then she saw his kids and their truck and went wild. She remembered the whole family.

So, it was a relieved and happy little crew that turned for home, a family finally re-united with their beloved pet, with a horrible taste of the down-side of dog show people.

The man may come on DSNN and talk about it… or he may chose not to.

Elaine
05-22-2009, 08:17 AM
Don’t mean to focus on anyone person (or persons) in particular. I think that what is wrong with the some breeders / handlers / dog people is that they do not lead any sort of life outside of dogs and they completely loose touch with the real world. For handlers and breeders who make their living in dogs, it seems that the pressure to pay bills off the backs of the dogs gets the best of them over time. Doesn’t really matter what they were like when they started out years ago, as time goes by they become more avarice, greedy, competitive and desperate…. clawing to get ahead no matter what they have to do, and who they have to screw over to reach whatever silly short-term goal they have. After a while, NOTHING is beneath them.

Here is where we all come in to this. We are defined by the principles we stand for. We can change things and set a new standard for how we conduct ourselves. We can treat all of the people we interact with in a manner that reflects our sense of integrity and our passion and love for this breed and the sport.

To be blunt, there are a lot of old people in dogs who have demonstrated over time that they are toxic to the sport. They will be gone soon. They are the past; the only way they have survived all this time is that what they do stays largely hidden in the dark, like fungi. When they are gone, they will be completely forgotten.

We are the future of this sport. The old ways of doing business are over. People want to associate with reasonable, intelligent, civilized, honorable people. We are leading by example, what we have will grow and flourish

Lou's mom
05-22-2009, 09:32 AM
...I think that what is wrong with the some breeders / handlers / dog people is that they do not lead any sort of life outside of dogs and they completely loose touch with the real world...

So true! Unfortunately, it's not just the "show" people. I recently recieved an email putting me on notice for a post here on DSNN. Now I know that words 'read' differently than they sound, but... really? I'm not much of a basher on the web, and I'm even more particular about how I post up in here, due to the "be civil, be kind" tagline... anywho, back on topic.


Sad story, glad it has a happy ending. Thanks for sharing it with us.

Any way DSNN could set up an anonymous/discrete fund for us to donate to the gentleman who did right by his dobergirl, in the face of such intimidating odds? Not so much for the raising of money, but to demonstrate through actions, rather simply saying words, that there are upstanding folks in the dog world.

Elaine
05-22-2009, 09:40 AM
I recently recieved an email putting me on notice for a post here on DSNN.


I'm sure we'd all love to see the email... and maybe show it to our attorney. :)

Lou's mom
05-22-2009, 10:50 AM
I'm sure we'd all love to see the email... and maybe show it to our attorney. :)

Naw, that's okay. I stand by the words I've posted in this forum, and wrote a polite reply in which I explained the mis-understood words, along with some interpersonal communications that were in question. In hindsight, it's good that the email was sent, so that commo could indeed continue.

Interesting though, that someone took the time to hunt up a comment on this forum, in an effort to somehow use it against me.

It seems that this is happening more in the 'real' world as well: yesterday my crew was called to standby at another fire station, while that crew met with yet a third crew, in regards to a statement made by one individual while not working. Funny that 12 people should be directly affected by one person's words being misunderstood, by a second person who didn't go back to the source for clarification, and ultimately by a third who simply overheard the 2nd talking w/coworkers & spun it up to a potentially documentable offense. :rolleyes:


So, BOT, perhaps a fund, even if to the local humane/rescue in the reclaimants geographic region?

Athy
05-25-2009, 10:07 PM
This man was very fortunate that he was able to get his bitch back. As we all know, a Doberman can be lost in the wind and never seen again.

Athy

Elaine
05-26-2009, 07:24 AM
We had a similar experience with the Whites… it is really amazing that they get away with the things they do.