McNealy is at it again

[Elaine]

McNealy’s at it again...

Below in blue is a recent post of McNealy’s on CyberDobes. Now you gotta ask yourself, given McNealy’s track record of pursuing one biased, idiotic agenda after another over the years... what is the truth of this situation with Ally. There is so much of this story that is not in print... clearly there is Dr. Danoff’s side of this and there is the prosecutor's side as well. I do not buy for one second that Ally has taken some unassailable moral high ground and those opposing her are all bad and wrong. At the very least, Ally has broken the law.

Personally I am offended by the reference to a chain of possession of Stella as her being hidden via “the underground railroad.” That reference goes back to slavery and an institutionalized form of brutality that no one could possibly defend. Stella is a frickin dog, that a Rescue organization and a licensed vet claim ownership of. Stealing a dog and idiotically trying to hide it from the authorities by playing some childish “hide the pea” game is not remotely on par with slavery and the legitimate need for all humanity to oppose it. Linking the theft of a dog to slavery is offensive. And it is childish to think that such a clumsy and transparent theft would confuse law enforcement. What’s next, the bank robber when caught telling the police, “Sorry, I don’t have the bank’s money, I put it in the underground railroad.” Any prosecutor would slam the jail cell door on a criminal offering that moronic excuse.

Ally may not have loved some aspect of Dr. Danoff’s care, but what are we really talking about here folks?

On a scale of one to ten, one being starving and neglected; ten being happy and healthy, Danoff’s care of Stella was what? An eight. Is any of this worth Ally’s theft. Short answer is “Hell fuckin no!”

Even at it’s worst (as described by Ally), Stella was cared for better than most dogs in this country and arguably better than most children in the world. In my opinion, this is not about an abused dog, this is about a stubborn intractable woman who started down the wrong path... and now she’s dug in so deep she can not back out. Ally made a bad decision to break the law... she probably thought she’d get away with it. Apparently she will not, but it was always her choice to break the law. Stella was never is such a bad circumstance that it merited all this fuss. If you all want to donate... donate to starving children around the world. Better yet, donate to a fund for starving and neglected children here in this country.

Civilized man long ago accepted that we do best in a society governed by a system of laws. It would be chaos if we all decided that the laws of this country only applied to others, and/or that the laws of this county did not apply to us whenever we wanted to break them. Ally has willfully and recklessly chosen to break the law. She is not a hero, she is a misguided criminal.

-Elaine

McNealy's Cyberdobes post
Alla, in my opinion, is a hero....and after years of devoting herself to abandoned, abused and neglected Dobermans without a mark on her record - always putting the animals first - a deadly run-in with the infamous DAR&E group resulted in criminal charges being brought against Alla for "stealing" a dog rather than giving her back to a rescue that planned to adopt her to an individual they'd previously deemed "inappropriate" to meet her needs.

DAR&E, if I have things right, claims "Stella" is valued at $250.00 which probably explains why the ante was upped to felony charges in this ridiculously petty effort by that group to show everyone just how mean-spirited they can be when a good volunteer takes her committment to every animal seriously.

Please do what you can to help Alla in the only way really available to us. Either buy some raffle tickets, or tickets to the Phantom Ball, or just make a straight up cash donation....we're also still happy to accept any contribution you care to give as a raffle prize. It does not need to be dog/Doberman related...it can be anything!

Everything you need to know about how to get in the game is on both websites....and I will be making "reminder" posts as we go along.

PLEASE SHOW THIS LADY WE'RE WITH HER ....

And feel free to crosspost anywhere and share with everyone! Every little bit helps!

Thanks!

[Ron]

I hear that the parties involved can not discuss this publicly pending the outcome of the September trial, but I always thought there had to be two sides to this.

[Inspector Clouseau]

So this McNealy thinks it is admirable for Ally to steal a dog because she disagrees with the actions of the dog's owner? Really? Or is it just that one of Ally's little friends, perhaps a Taylor or a Smith, promised Stella to Ally. And when they couldn't deliver, Ally decided that NO ONE would have Stella.

Of course Ally filed an abuse complaint against Danoff. No. Wait. She didn't.

Well, Ally filed an abuse complaint against DARE. No. Wait. She didn't.

Well, as soon as she saw the dog, Ally took her to her vet for an examination because she was concerned Stella had been abused. No. Wait. She didn't.

Well, Ally immediately complained to DARE that Stella had been abused. No. Wait. She didn't.

Well, Ally told DARE that Danoff should not get Stella long before the DARE board decided Danoff could adopt her. No. Wait. She didn't.

Well, Ally had participated in the evaluation of Danoff as an adopter. No. Wait. She didn't.

Well, as this McNealy said, the DARE board had determined that Danoff was inappropriate to meet Stella's needs. No. Wait. They didn't. This is the big lie that this McNealy spreads. The sheep read the big lie and cannot understand how DARE could have decided Danoff was an "inappropriate" home one day and an "appropriate" home the next. But rather than seek the logical truth, the sheep decide DARE is evil becasuse this McNealy tells them it is so. There is a big evil here, and it is this McNealy.

Well, Ally certainly placed Stella's well being above all other considerations. No. Wait. She didn't. Ally's voices say she handed Stella off to peoples and places unknown and is now gone with the wind. So rather than have Stella where DARE can check on her frequently, as Danoff and DARE agreed to do, and ensure she is properly cared for, she has vanished into the night.

Was it a to a trucker at a gas station on I-95 that Ally handed Stella? Who can tell? Ally's voices do not say.

This McNealy has demonstrated his mind is inside out, singing the praises of a dog thief. And the thief is stuck. Ally can't back down because she is called a hero by this McNealy. Ally's praises are sung by her voices and the sheep that follow and lick after this McNealy. She is the new Robin Hood! Could the cynical truth be simply, this McNealy is using Ally to attack DARE? And the lickspittles join in the chorus.

Ally has a problem. She will go to prison if she persists in refusing to return Stella. But backing down would require Ally to disclose that her little friends have had the dog all along and that this whole charade of an underground railroad was the fabrication of a mere Martinette. Backing down would disclose to the world that Ally simply wanted Stella for herself, and if she could not have her, NO BODY would. Backing down would show the world that Ally, McNealy and the Martinette are nothing but liars.

So Ally goes to jail for stealing a dog. This is justice. As the old Green woman said, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

[zehrillia]

Interesting summary Clouseau. We obviously don’t have all the facts yet, they will probably come out at trial, but it never made sense to blame this all on an incompetent prosecutor or the group running the rescue. After what I read on Cyberdobes I got the sense that people in other parts of this country don’t understand our legal system here in the south, which includes magistrates as gatekeepers. I’m born and raised in the south, our legal system may seem quirky and antiquated to some, but it serves us and has stood the test of time over centuries. This woman Ally broke the law and the prosecutor is simply doing his job. I was always wary of the CD version that included exaggerations and speculations about motives of the rescue organization. We will know more in September.

When I read cyberdobes I come away wondering how McNealy has been able to make such a holy mess out of things. Why on earth have people given her such power. What has she ever accomplished that would make her worth listening to?

[Athy]

I hear that the parties involved can not discuss this publicly pending the outcome of the September trial, but I always thought there had to be two sides to this.

The criminal trial is scheduled for 9/11/08. DAR&E believes that the court system is the appropriate venue for this issue to be resolved - not the Internet. It is unfortunate that the DPCA has allowed itself to become embroiled in DAR&E's legal business and even more unfortunate that so many internet lists have been hijacked by those who wish to intimidate through cybersmear tactics against DAR&E. I think we all know why Cheri McNealy has chosen to involve herself in this situation.

One should also bear in mind that it is entirely possible that civil suits may follow the criminal trial. If (and that is an IF) civil suits follow, it is unlikely that anyone will be issuing press releases immediately following the criminal trial either.

As always, I'm willing to speak to anyone who'd like to discuss this the situation in a civil manner. Just let me know.

Athy Conigliaro

[Athy]

McNealy’s at it again...
Cheri wrote:

DAR&E, if I have things right, claims "Stella" is valued at $250.00 which probably explains why the ante was upped to felony charges in this ridiculously petty effort by that group to show everyone just how mean-spirited they can be when a good volunteer takes her committment to every animal seriously.


I am able to respond to this issue as well. The value of $250 for Stella was derived using DAR&E's standard adoption fee schedule. From the DAR&E website, this is our adoption fee schedule:

Up to 1 year old: $300
1-3 years (includes 3 year olds): $250
4-6 years (includes 6 year olds): $150
7 years and up: $100

Stella's age put her in the second bracket, so that is the value that we provided the police when we filed the police report.

DAR&E did NOT "up the ante" - if that had been our goal, we could have added up all the behaviorist bills, the training bills and the vet bills that Stella had incurred over her 10 months with DAR&E. Instead, we thought that the adoption fee was the fairest way to put a value on Stella for puropses of the police report.

Athy Conigliaro

[pretty dobe]

No one knows better then I that there are two sides to every story, But pictures don't lie. Stella was was not fed well. For a vet to not know how to feed this girl was and is very disturbing. No one would allow their dog to look like that. Any rescue that I know of puts the dogs first and that doesn't appear to be followed with this poor girl. This is my humble opinion and I will watch and see what the trial brings. Hopefully all the facts will be brought out but for now I'm thinking Stella is much better off where ever she is.

Judie

[Ann Lanier]

I don't know Alla or Dr. Danoff. I do believe we are hearing only one side of the story. But common sense would tell one that surely Alla had options other than the 'underground railway,' an action that puts at risk her caring for her aging and ill mother, her livelihood, and in fact, her freedom for some years. And she doesn't even have the dog she would go to prison to protect. When one considers this so-called "heroic action" means Alla faces possibly up to 12 YEARS in prison, during which time her mother will be without care, and may even pass away, when there were many other ways to solve the problem, doesn't it seem pretty extreme? Prison! Think of the ramifications of that!

Could Alla not negotiate with DAR&E? Could she not file an injunction to prevent Stella's return, since I believe she hired an attorney to write letters to DAR&E? Could she not volunteer to oversee Stella's care with Dr. Danoff and help her while monitoring the dog's health? Has she ever met with Dr. Danoff? When I look at the pictures of Stella, which may or may not have been PhotoShopped, the dog's coat looks shiny. Agreed, the dog looks underweight, but does she look in such poor health Alla would need to face prison for years to 'save' her? Why would Dr. Danoff take Stella, and fight for her return if she intended to mistreat her? Why would DAR&E which has rescued what? over 1000 Dobermans? why would they seek to place a Doberman in a home where she would be mistreated? Could not problems with Stella be solved in any other way?

Could Alla not have come to some agreement with DAR&E? Did she have any meetings with DAR&E? Has Alla met with the DA's office to try to mediate her actions to lessen the charges against her?

If Alla loves the dog so much, then where is Stella? If Alla doesn't even know who has Stella, how can she know possibly know the conditions of her current situation? Why would Alla risk losing literally everything in her life when there surely must be other solutions? Something just doesn't compute.

Alla has been portrayed as such a heroine, for risking prison to save 'poor Stella.' Is it fair to wonder how can Alla back down now with people raising money and blindly sympathizing with her? Maybe she would like to but she can't.

As to the abuse heaped on Athy, my understanding is that all she did was report the dog had been stolen. Once Athy or DARE does that, the legal system takes over the prosecution. It is not for DAR&E to tell the District Attorney's office whether or not they prosecute, or how. World wide petitions to remove the DA or the magistrate from office cannot possibly be helpful to Alla either.

Apparently Alla desires a jury trial. That is the only way both sides will be heard and a verdict will be rendered. Meanwhile nearly everything else as to guilt or innocence is just speculation. It appears that Alla did refuse to return Stella, and concealed her, and Athy/Dare did report it to the police.

[Elaine]

No one knows better then I that there are two sides to every story, But pictures don't lie. Stella was was not fed well. For a vet to not know how to feed this girl was and is very disturbing. No one would allow their dog to look like that.
Judie
Not sure I agree with you about whether photos lie or not... just look at all the ads we see, both in dogs and in the larger world of advertising. Photos can distort things. ;)

About what a vet should know, it’s a fallacy to suggest that their medical education makes them any better than you or I (or any experienced breeder / owner), about nutrition. I’ve known vets to encourage obesity (because in their opinion of ideal weight is far over what it should be :( ). I would offer that one benefit of competing dogs is that we all lock in pretty fast on what optimum weight and conditioning are. A vet in a normal practice can be rather far a field about optimum weight.

I understand how you felt seeing the photos of Stella, she was too thin. When I saw them I couldn’t help but think of Titan’s weight when he was returned from Andy Linton. Andy is a professional, he’s had the care of Dobermans and many other breeds of dogs for decades. He should not have let Titan get so thin. But, he did. The truth is that for the most part Andy does a decent job; Titan’s condition certainly stands out as an anomaly. I suspect that Andy was frustrated with Titan's weight. But all Titan really needed was more food and an adjustment in his exercise. No one needed to go into some “under ground railroad” for that. No one needed to go to jail over what happened.

And who knows, Andy may have gotten Titan’s weight back if we’d left Titan with him with more specific instructions about diet and exercise. We chose to bring Titan home. As I recall, towards the end of his time with Andy, Andy had gone on his honey moon, and Titan was left with kennel help. Without question, adjustments needed to be made, but it is entirely possibly that Andy could have made them. After all, Andy has had many other dogs come and go since Titan was returned to us, and not one of them has had a problem (that we’ve heard of). What I'm trying to convery here is that (just as with Andy), Dr. Danoff needed to make adjustments with Stella's diet, but I see nothing to suggest that she would not have made them.

The facts may indeed be in dispute... but the bottom line is this, if the overarching concern was that Stella was to thin, then by all means, adjust her food and exercise accordingly. She was not so thin that she could not have rebounded nicely if some tweaking had been done. I think Stella would have bounced back. Titan was back in the show ring winning (9 pts. including a major), one month after returning from Andy.

All of this fuss would almost be worthwhile if Stella were truly being neglected, ignored and/or abused, but she was not. She may not have been in optimal shape, but compared to truly abused starving dogs all around this country, Stella was in better than average shape. I’m sorry but, on the list of “Dogs Worth Destroying Your Life Over” Stella just doesn’t make the cut. I’ve seen thinner dogs, heck Andy returned Titan to us in much worse shape, and Titan bounced back. No one had to break any laws to get him back in shape, he simply needed more food.

I don’t think this Stella thing is about an “abused dog.” I think it’s about stubbornness and pride. Ally has dug herself a huge hole, and I suspect that she can not figure a way out that would not make her look ridiculous. There was no need to go to jail over Stella. Stella was loved, by a competent veterinary professional... who may have needed to make adjustments in diet etc., but the commitment and resources were there. How many of you breeders would have sold to this vet? I’d bet most of you would have thought her an excellent home, she simply needed to make some adjustments with Stella's diet.

I think that the real crime here is the hatchet job done on Athy and Dr. Danoff. We may not all agree with everything they do, but they have both devoted the better part of their lives to the welfare of dogs. I think the smear campaign McNealy did was motivated by some underlying agenda that we have yet to understand fully. Far as I can tell, McNealy ALWAYS has an agenda behind these kinds of smear jobs she has done on people over the years... it seems there's always some petty stupid personal agenda, that we find out about after the fact.

We should have a thread called, Let’s Guess the McNealy Agenda Behind the Story.

[pretty dobe]

Elaine I know some show photos are inhanced. It is funny since I was just asked last week by a dobe magazine person if Cayenne's were... Told her, what you see is what I see everyday... Warts and all... The gal that does my pages may remove some of the background if it is busy or the fellow is picking his nose but that is it....

The photos of Stella were obviously taken by a regular person with no training. But I thought of Titan when I saw them. I understand the eating situation when the dogs are with their handlers. Cayenne doesn't eat well and his handler goes to great lenghts to keep him eating. Caye comes home thin and rebounds quickly when at home. Cayenne is very attached and I think Titan is the same. While loving their handlers they miss their family.

I don't know any of the people involved in this fight, nor do I believe all that I've read. It has to be in the middle somewhere. Stella was removed by the organization and so something was going on. We all know people with good intentions get too many animals and can't do justice to the ones they have. This vet had a lot of other birds and animals to look after plus a demanding practice. I know our vet puts in long hours and I'm sure Dr Danoff is no different. You and I know that Dobes take training and attention to make them good citizens. Dobes allowed to do as they please, while loveable I'm sure, leave a lot to be desired.

I think both parties have dug in and created a mess. Which is too bad and gives people like Cheri something to run with. Like I said I'm waiting to see how the trial goes and the truth that will hopefully come out.

Touche' on the agenda.... There always is one.

Judie

[Elaine]

I think both parties have dug in and created a mess. Which is too bad and gives people like Cheri something to run with. Like I said I'm waiting to see how the trial goes and the truth that will hopefully come out.

Touche' on the agenda.... There always is one.

Judie
I think we both agree on this... :). All I can add is that there is no way I could run a rescue... it must be the most demanding work. I doubt one is ever credited with the countless hours and out-of-pocket expenses.

As for ads, don't get me started... there is one photo of a Giant Schnauzer bitch ( I think she was going Best), that was retouched so badly the background didn't match behind the handler and the judge. Really put me off of the advertising person who did the ad.

[Athy]

Stella was removed by the organization and so something was going on. We all know people with good intentions get too many animals and can't do justice to the ones they have. This vet had a lot of other birds and animals to look after plus a demanding practice.

Hi, Judie. You might want to read DAR&E's response to the DPCA about this issue to see why Stella was removed from Dr Danoff's home.

Stella and Charles went to work every day with Dr Danoff. I personally visited the vet clinic myself to observe the area where the dogs stayed during the day. It is a very large office with two French doors opening out on the clinic itself. The floor of the office is literally covered with doggie beds, toys and chewies. I wish that I had the luxury to take my dog with me to work on a daily basis.

Again, I would encourage you to read the response. If you do not have it, I am happy to send it to you and you can see what assumptions the organization made when removing Stella from Dr Danoff's home. The attribution that the removal occurred because Dr Danoff was unfit is yet another falsehood being perpetuated by those who would benefit from smearing DAR&E. We also provided a photo album of Stella's life with Dr Danoff. Please review it to see the lifestyle that Stella enjoyed with Dr Danoff.

You may also want to review the professional opinions obtained by DAR&E regarding the level of time and commitment made to Stella by Dr Danoff. I contacted the trainer, the behaviorist and Dr Danoff's own surgical vet to gain a better understanding of Stella's issues and challenges. I also obtained a professional assessment from a nationally renowned veterinary orthopedic surgeon who was, along with Dr Danoff, planning Stella's long term therapy for her lobster foot. I am happy to share them with you, just let me know.

Athy

[Elaine]

This post above is one of the most informative and civil on this topic that I have read to date. The thoughts Judie expressed (that Athy is responding to) are reasonable, especially given the version of events we’ve all heard repeatedly on CyberDobes. Months ago they mirrored my own thoughts on this matter. Even if we consciously know that McNealy is pursing an agenda, absent a response, overtime we subconsciously allow McNealy’s line-o-cr@p to become part of what we believe on the topic. That is one of the dangers of the McNealys of the world, we tend to believe her baloney on some level and opinions once formed are near impossible to change. So, I applaud the poster’s calm restraint shown above, especially since we know about the juggernaut of biased baloney about this topic spewed forth on CyberDobes. Trying to stand up for oneself is near impossible given the sheer magnitude of the onslaught.

Here is something we all loose site of... it takes courage to stand up for what is right. It takes courage to stand against a Typing Dynamo like McNealy, who relentlessly pursues her targets. Time and again I have seen good people targeted by McNealy who simply turn away. I suspect that they are overwhelmed by the volume of what she writes... and they are stunned by the incomprehensible fact that people are persuaded to believe all the subtle innuendos and misstatements of fact that McNealy throws about. Cumulatively, these distortions and misstatements become “fact” for many CD readers, and therein lies the damage.

So, I applaud the poster above, for her civil response. And I am pleased that DSNN is a place where people can post their side of things without fear of being attacked.

[pretty dobe]

Elaine, you are so right about this subject. I think most people are somewhere in the middle and even if one doesn't agree there is no excuse for attacking one for their opinions. Since most of us are spread out all over the world and not in the area that this is taking place, we have to rely on what is being said and figure out what is truth, hearsay or political. That is hard to do most times. I feel that the Doberman world is a small one and in-fighting does nothing to promote the breed.

As for running a rescue....The most thankless job around. Have friends that are in rescue and it takes time and energy that is endless. I don't know how they do it.

Judie